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Sheila Hutchinson
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Australia
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 Posted - 04/11/2009 :
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4th November 2009
Stringybark Creek News and Views
Hi All,
Thought I’d better start a new SBC thread however the
Stringybark Creek News thread is still worth checking if you
are interested in this area.
A bit of trivia: This year I have set-up two Kelly related
displays for local events.
The first one was at Tolmie (formerly Wombat) for the 123rd
Tolmie Sports that were held on the 14th February and the
second one was for the Maindample Heritage Day held last
Sunday the 1st November to raise funds for our local Fire
Brigade.
The display at Tolmie featured Stringybark Creek, the place
where the Kelly Gang was created on the 26th October 1878, and
the plans for the Stringybark Creek upgrade.
When I learnt that ‘Neds’ armour that was used by the
Mansfield Primary school students in their entry in the
Wakakirri storytelling festival was to be on display at the
Heritage Day, I decided to do a bit on Stringybark / Mansfield
and Maindample’s association with the Kelly Story.
1871: 14 year old Archibald McPhail who lived in the
Maindample area saw Isaiah ‘Wild’ Wright riding Mr Newland’s
stolen chestnut mare past his father farm. As a result of this
he went to Beechworth to give evidence and when he was about
to return home he got diphtheria and died. ( indeed a sad
event )
During the late 1860’s and early 1870’s MC Michael Kennedy
(later Sgt) was stationed at the Maindample Police Camp and
the Broken River Police Station. As part of his duties as Land
Bailiff he inspected and reported on selections, including the
one where we live !!
Some people were surprised to know that Maindample had a
connection to the Kelly Story.
Bye for now. Sheila
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kellycountry2000
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 09:55:10
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carla
Senior Member
Australia
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marcus
Advanced Member
Australia
198 Posts
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Posted - 16/11/2009 :
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Thanks Carla
makes the task a bit easier
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Sheila Hutchinson
Advanced Member
Australia
64 Posts
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Posted - 20/11/2009 :
21:00:17
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Hi All,
Stringybark Creek etc; If you wish to view a few photographs
of the 'Grass Roots' displays I have put up this year go to
http://www.nedonthenet.com/GRASSROOTS.htm
Bye for now. Sheila
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Sheila Hutchinson
Advanced Member
Australia
64 Posts
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Posted - 02/12/2009 :
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2nd December
Hi All,
Just thought I'd post these details on this Stringybark Creek
thread, although there is another thread running about this
subject.
Victorian Police Museum exhibition
“Ambush: Ned Kelly & the Stringybark Creek Murders” open from
the 4th January 1010 until June 2010
Will look forward to reading forum members comments on the
content of this exhibition. Hope the Museum at least have some
of the re-discovered reports etc on display. Hope to get a
chance to see it for myself.
Sheila
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Joe.D
Advanced Member
Australia
699 Posts
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 10:29:01
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Hi Sheila,
As per Elizabeth Marsden the vic police will be displaying the
newly discovered documents, one of which will be McIntyres sbc
sketch. On the 24th nov this Sketch was shown to those that
attended the Ned Kelly uncovered night......I also managed to
sketch out the said sketch, however I'm looking fwd to viewing
the attached notes.
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Sheila Hutchinson
Advanced Member
Australia
64 Posts
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Posted - 24/01/2010 :
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Hi All,
Went for a drive up to SBC on the 20th to check on how the
redevelopment work is progressing.
Pleased to say a fair amount of the work has now been done and
this project is gradually coming to fruition and I think it
looks GREAT !
I believe the next stage is to install an information shelter
in the campground. It’s hard to say when this will happen as
during the fire season most of the DSE crews are unable to
work on this project.
Latest photos,
http://www.nedonthenet.com/sbc_2010.htm
thanks to Dave.
Bye for now. Sheila
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carla
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Joe.D
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marcus
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Australia
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Posted - 26/04/2010 :
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All
I have had a precursory read of Bill's findings and am most
intrested in now visiting the site to take in the detail.
Will need to sit down and digest it in more detail though.
thanks for sharing this with us Carla and Bill.
regards
Marcus
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kellycountry2000
Forum Admin
Australia
687 Posts
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 18:58:31
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The forum software has a
few bugs in it, i dont know what happened to carlas last post
listed as the 7/5/10 |
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carla
Senior Member
Australia
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Posted - 19/05/2010 :
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Thanks Bruce, I don't
know what happened.
Following the Herald Sun article, here is the Mansfield
Courier 28th April 2010 edition. Pictured are the fireplace
stones (foreground) of possibly the Shingle built hut Ned
wrote about in his Jerilderie letter. The background ridge is
the slope as in the Burman photo but the view angle is from
low down ground level looking South west. Carla
PS, The mesh was put over the fireplace rocks by DSC after
Bill was going to put it on himself. The mesh ensures the
rocks remain intact.
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kenny t
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Australia
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Posted - 24/05/2010 :
23:48:05
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Great work Bill and the
other researchers. It makes very interesting reading and after
spending a lot of time myself over the years in that area, it
is going to be hard to prove against your conclusions.
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carla
Senior Member
Australia
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Posted - 27/05/2010 :
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Thank you Kenny T, Bill
has a further revelation to make -
Just in case there are still those who don't know what site to
believe in, i,e,
East bank or West bank, someone we know with a very keen eye
who has studied the Burman photos has identified a fireplace
structure in the Burman1 photo.
See for yourself. Notice the unmistakable rounded rock shapes
hardly visable in the original image below left.
Bill's computer enhanced image is now featured in his final
document.
The fireplace and the slope together provides compelling
evidence Burman took his photo at the site of two huts on the
Western bank of the creek.
Unlike the seated man sitting on the log, the image below
shows a figure sitting on the fireplace rocks, ( the same
fireplace rocks as in the Burman photo), and a figure on the
background slope, ( the same slope as in the Burman photo)
For those interested to read Bill's document see link at -
http://www.ironicon.com.au
Carla
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robert mcgarrigle
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Australia
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Posted - 27/05/2010 : 11:17:24
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May I ask who is going
to pay for the yellow brick road to the wrong place?As I have
said previously blind freddy can see it is WRONG.Well done
Bill and the team. |
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carla
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Joe.D
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carla
Senior Member
Australia
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Posted - 30/05/2010 :
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Hello Joe Oma here,
You wrote
quote:
Is it correct to say that Terry has physically shown you
the exact spot where the bullet was found?
Answer, Bill and I were shown the spot by Terry, and Bill
makes the following points,
If you go to his SBC document on page 10 a map shows the words
'Bridle track' a dotted line crossing the road, just near the
B is the spot.
Then you ask,
quote:
would this place it in the vicinity of the declivity that
McIntyre refers to in his m/s?
Answer, No. A declivity is an old fashioned word for
downward slope ( Macquarie Dictionary)
When McIntyre refers to a declivity he refers to a slope near
where they camped (or pitched their tent). Their tent was
pitched on a rise overlooking the logs as the scene in the
Burman photo to his left (if he was facing the creek
Easterly), and to his right was the slope as in the Burman
photo background. The bullet was found some 40 metres
downstream from the two huts site on the edge of the swampy
ground.
This view below is westerly and the road level can be made out
behind Terry Scott's right shoulder.
Note, reference to the words 'south declivity' as near site 3A
has been removed was not where the police had camped. Bill
The forked tree is a good marker and could well be near where
the original Kelly tree stood.
Again, for those interested to read Bill's document see link
at -
http://www.ironicon.com.au
Carla.
PS, Oh yes, that Rotunda shelter barely come in handy when it
started to rain.
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Joe.D
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Posted - 30/05/2010 :
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Hello Oma how are you?
Hope you didn't get too wet under the rotunda you look
nice'n'cosy sitting under it... hehehehe the nights are
getting colder & I could almost smell those hot soothing
cuppa's you whip up
Bill thx for the speedy reply....and as always answered with
enthusiasm. Keep the updates coming in.
Joe.D |
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kenny t
Average Member
Australia
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :
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I take my hat off to
guys with the research you are doing. All good stuff. Wow what
about the bullet find?
I am with you Joe, keep the updates coming.
kenny t |
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kellycountry2000
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carla
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kellycountry2000
Forum Admin
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Posted - 06/06/2010 : 14:37:50
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Hi bill I dont know why
you dont use your own login as it should be working I can only
test it if i change the password, and I have already told you
that.
I would be happy to explain my remark with some scale
maps,based on the maps at the forest website, hopefully they
are correct if not I will apologize to you, based on your
public conclusion that the PC was around where the fire places
are today, when you use scale maps based on the forestry maps,
real contour maps and MC's info the logs seem to cross about 3
meters east of SBC road, at the fireplaces site, but my
problem is I dont have a real waypoint for the creek, , I
really need to get to SBC to take a waypoint,to see if the
creek on the forest maps match to within a few meters by any
chance do you have a waypoint for the creek below where the
fire places are , that is the waypoint that you have been
basing your measurements for the 70 yards on?
or in other words Mc said the tent was 70 yards EAST from the
creek
if you draw a line WEST from the the creek and measure 70
yards, what is your waypoint where the line hits the creek ?
BTW do I have your permission to reproduce your drawings and
photos, who knows I may be able to prove some of your ideas
also a couple of other questions Bill
do you agree that the tent was 70 yards from the creek,
and what do agree to that is the creek today, given the mining
and water flows down hill at the loswest point, blah, blah
etc.
KC2000
standby for a few days so i can host the maps, and get a
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kellycountry2000
Forum Admin
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Posted - 06/06/2010 :
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This is the waypoint I
need where the 70 yard or 64 mtr line hits the creek, the blue
star is a real gps waypoint for the two FP's, + or - the 4
meter EPE, obviously I have rubbed it out,
given some of words Mc uses, the GPS EPE is close enough.
Of course if the creek is more westerly then the tent is
further up the hill, and if its more easterly then its further
down the hill
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carla
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Australia
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Posted - 07/06/2010 :
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Hello Bruce,
In the recent past you had deleted my membership as I do
recall. I did not remove myself from this forum. I will try
again to login sometime.
The Forest website maps detail and contours are very low
resolution. The 70 yards McIntyre referrers to is merely an
indication I believe.
Do you think Mc went back with a tape measure? Given he also
gave us a distance from the (fire) logs to the tent as 20 or
25 yards gives
us a range of his in accuracy. His measurements are only
estimates.
70 yards could be Mc's 70 steps or feet or a typo error. For
example, you say in your post " 70 yards East from the creek,
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when you should have written West, a simple mistake, so to
hang an argument on one 70 yards distance is a bit blinkered
when we do have
a slope and the fireplaces of two huts that can be made out in
the Burman photos.
The Burman photos are of the place where Lonigan was shot and
not where the police had camped.
You wrote,
quote:
" do you agree the tent was 70 yards from the creek? "
Answer, No, but maybe a shorter distance according to the hard
evidence on the ground at the two huts site.
Maybe the tent was 70 yards from the creek placing it west of
the road, and contrary to where I have it placed in the
accompanying sketch plan.
By all means use material and images from my investigation
document to make your point, but be aware some map sketches
are from 2009
and may require to be redrawn as more conclusive detail
emerges. Do not copy the image, rather please only use images
having a URL address
as follows
http://www.pixmaker.com.au/twohuts/images/sbcglennplanandbillslayout.jpg
Readers may be interested to note that two posts of a hut in
the Burman photo 2 are of what I believe is the side of the
hut and not the end.
The fireplace structure overgrown with grasses hide the man's
boots. This scenario works well and shows the logs were
located between the two fireplaces.
Bill
Edited only to shorten the text lines as the images determine
page width
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Edited by - carla on 07/06/2010 21:15:30 |
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