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Stringybark Creek News (Concept Plans now on display)

Mansfield Courier Tuesday, May 20th 2008

Upgrade for site where policemen were shot dead.

Initial concept plans for the upgrade of the infamous site near Benalla of the 1878 shoot-out between members of the Kelly Gang and police will go on public exhibition for comment this month.
Department of Sustainability and Environment project manager, Catherine Spencer, said work at Stringybark Creek Recreation Area which is the home of the Kelly Tree and monument honoring fallen officers, would provide better access and facilities for the growing number of visitors to the site.
“Whilst initial works will concentrate on improving vehicular access and car parking facilities, the plan also outlines other opportunities,” Ms Spencer said. These include a Kelly Tree viewing boardwalk, Ned Kelly interpretative walk, new visitor toilets and shelter facilities and an improved lay-out for the campground and day picnic area.
Plans are on display at the Mansfield DSE and Benalla Rural City Council from tomorrow until Tuesday, June 3.
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N.B. This site actually has more to do with Mansfield than Benalla, however some of the initial funding is coming from Benalla.
The DSE offices in Mansfield are in Highett Street, just opposite the Mansfield Cemetery, where the three troopers were laid to rest. Bye for now. Sheila

 
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it's interesting how only a few years ago hardly anyone either knewn about or visited the reserve.
Now its become quite a tourist spot, so much so it now warrants facility upgrades.
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Sharon when the plaque on the memorial stone at SBC was stolen ,Mansfield council said it came under Benalla juristiction & not theirs.I hope what is projected in this article does not go ahead,as I believe it will bring out further discontent amongst rival groups as it did in the old forum.I can see both sides point of view like Bill giving details only to people he believes he can trust & I personally agree with him as I dont want SBC to become a rubbish tip and a cicus.I would much rather see the site remain in its natural condition & not ruined forever.However I can also see why all Australians are entitled to find out where this very important site is,so I really believe it is going to touch some raw nerves& will be very hard to please everybody.(a tough one)
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Hello Robert,
I think you may have said 'Sharon' in error as Sheila wrote the initial post.
I know what you mean about issues this could cause on this forum and at SBC, however a debate is a good thing I feel.
Personally I do not agree with telling people online where the shootout site is actually situated. I do not say this lightly as I feel I have no extra rights to go there over someone else. The problem is however that since the site has become well known via the net people have left beer cans scattered about and thrown beer bottles down wombat holes in the area.
You cannot change the nature of people I guess. How does one know who to show the location of the area? Face to face you can at least ascertain whether or not a person might be fair dinkum and look after the area.
Anyway, I am sure there will be debate on this topic and the addition of any signage and walkways will only increase this.
I hope the past vandalism and theft is not repeated, (stealing the memorial stone and the large information signs).
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Hi Robert and all others,

Although the Stringybark area has close links with Mansfield, it must be remembered that it is in the Shire of Benalla.
Management of specific sections of the Toombullup State Forest is carried out by DSE teams both from Benalla and Mansfield.
Members of the SRG working on this project have been very mindful of the need to preserve the sites and the uniqueness of the area.
The Kelly Story is a great Australian story and Stringybark Creek is part of that story. To me it a special place to respect and reflect on both sides of the story.

The proposed walking tracks are not planned to go to specific sites, such as the Police Camp site. Information boards will simply state that ‘the camp was in this vicinity’ or something similar. Keen researchers will no doubt still wander off the tracks and go for a ramble in the bush but ‘visitors in general’ will be advised to use the tracks.

Please take the opportunity to view the concept plans if you can.

Bye for now

Sheila



 
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Hi Robert and all others,

Although the Stringybark area has close links with Mansfield, it must be remembered that it is in the Shire of Benalla.
Management of specific sections of the Toombullup State Forest is carried out by DSE teams both from Benalla and Mansfield.
Members of the SRG working on this project have been very mindful of the need to preserve the sites and the uniqueness of the area.
The Kelly Story is a great Australian story and Stringybark Creek is part of that story. To me it a special place to respect and reflect on both sides of the story.

The proposed walking tracks are not planned to go to specific sites, such as the Police Camp site. Information boards will simply state that ‘the camp was in this vicinity’ or something similar. Keen researchers will no doubt still wander off the tracks and go for a ramble in the bush but ‘visitors in general’ will be advised to use the tracks.

Please take the opportunity to view the concept plans if you can.

Bye for now

Sheila



 
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Whoops! Don't know why my last message posted twice.
I have been having a bit of trouble with dial-up internet connection 'dropping' out, but I think this is gremlins !!
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Well put Dave & apologies to both Sheila & Sharon for the mix up of names.I agree with you that debate is generally helpful but I would not like to see things revert to nastiness as it did before.Every person has the right to their beliefs without offending others.As I have only been a member this year I would like to say that everyone has contributed famously over the past 6 months.I only knew of the previous problems after reading your website Dave & it would be a shame if things reverted back to the bad old days.
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I think things will be fine Robert,
I had a break from posting for a while and am enjoying the return. There are a few lurkers to the forum whom I reckon will join us in discussions soon. (at least I hope so)
Thanks Sheila for all this welcome info about the SBC area.
It is the last place we can visit in peace.
Dave.
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Hello Sheila and all,

I just want to ask Sheila to clarify her posting below


 

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Posted - 21/05/2008 : 8:36:22 PM
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Hi Robert and all others,

Although the Stringybark area has close links with Mansfield, it must be remembered that it is in the Shire of Benalla. Management of specific sections of the Toombullup State Forest is carried out by DSE teams both from Benalla and Mansfield.Members of the SRG working on this project have been very mindful of the need to preserve the sites and the uniqueness of the area. The Kelly Story is a great Australian story and Stringybark Creek is part of that story. To me it a special place to respect and reflect on both sides of the story.

The proposed walking tracks
are not planned to go to specific sites, such as the Police Camp site.
Information boards will simply state that ‘the camp was in this vicinity’ or something similar. Keen researchers will no doubt still wander off the tracks and go for a ramble in the bush but ‘visitors in general’ will be advised to use the tracks.
Please take the opportunity to view the concept plans if you can.

Bye for now
Sheila
 


In the other thread SBC Upgrade Plans On Display Thru June 3 http://kellycountry2000.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~360.asp

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Posted - 04/06/2008 : 8:37:15 PM
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Hi All,
Firstly Bill I’m sorry to hear that you feel disgruntled because the MHS didn’t invite you to represent them on the SRG project.

2 huts fireplaces: I guess there will be debates over the authenticity of the two huts until the proposed theories are verified or proven to be incorrect.

Heritage Listing: I believe Jeremy Smith is keen to keep people away from the ‘chimney’ sites until they can be investigated further.



Yes of course the fireplaces are to be kept out of bounds from the general public untill archaelogical investigations are completed.

Is there an issue here - if visitors are not going to be directed to the police camp as you indicate in your posting.

Can you please give the forum readers / members the names or organisations 'invited to be part of the Stringybark Reference Group SRG?




 

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No one is answering my queries regarding Stringybark Creek.

I had been asked by Catherine Spencer of DSE Mansfield to make a submission, and after speaking to her by phone and email, it is now confirmed that the Police camp WILL be opened to the public visiting Stringybark Creek - via the story board and a short walk.

However, there will be no identification of the two huts fireplaces for reasons they are still to have an archaeological investigation by Heritage Victoria.

Bill
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Great work Bill!!
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14th July
Hi all,
Sorry, I've been absent for awhile.
Bill as far as I'm aware the Storyboard won't be placed 'at the Police Camp Site', so this site should remain relatively undisturbed.
Re SRG representatives - see Thread SBC News 22-3-2008

Bye for now. Sheila.
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Thank you Anthony and Sheila,

On the plans #item (S3) located at the police camp 'entry point' - the S3 referees to 'Interpretive Media' meaning a story board.

When I submitted my 'two bobs worth' I emphasized the need keep the entry point as the (now) narrow single file corridor that we created through that tea tree scrub. This line is in accordance with where we believe Burman had taken the photo of the site in Oct 1878. It is at this entry point where the interpretive signage described as 'Shooting storyline' appears to be placed.

Also 'Sheila and my' original proposal to DSE in 2004 for a triangular walking trail from - Kelly tree to Police Camp to Germans Ck and back to Kelly tree will be taken up in future, but is not part of this stage of the development project.

So, what had been greatly opposed by the 'forces that be', Sheila and I can say we are the unrecognised architects of the development at Stringybark Ck that others will be credited with.

I say this because officially I have been told by DSE that our research regarding the Two Huts at Stringybark Ck, Germans Ck where Sgnt Kennedy died and Kellys Ck sites - webpages at www.ironicon.com.au WON'T be made mention of on the main story board as in appropriate information for visitors, but it will promote other historian's Ned Kelly Books.
Now that's a real compliment don't you think?
Bill
 
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Hi Bill and all,

Stringybark Creek – German Creek – Kelly Creek: The possibility of linking these sites thru walking tracks was discussed at one of our early SRG meetings. The decision was made to concentrate on the Stringybark Creek area at this stage.

Credit for my interest in making the history of the Stringybark Creek/ Kelly Creek area accessible to all; I don’t think so !!
My mission is to simply ‘keep the history of the area alive’ for future generations to enjoy as much as I do. Sheila.
 
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Hello Sheila, lets not be shy of your accomplishments.

You have co written the history of Mansfield. You have written a substancial book 'Heritage and History on my doorstep'.

With Fay Johnson you put together the web page " Valid Links with the Past", at http://www.ironicon.com.au/validlinks.htm which covers the history of struggling settlers who took up the 'land' on which the Kelly Gang evolved. Like me, you have put forward your theory of where the Police camp was actually located. You provide us with maps to support a contrary view of East bank verses West bank. There is great interest in all these issues.

There is an opportunity to bring this debate to wider audiences, - especially because Stringybark Creek is part of the Ned Kelly Touring Route. As I mentioned previously, my request to have the true history expressed is being denied to us.

You say your mission is simply to " keep the history of the area alive "

With no support from the authorities to allow 'LOCAL' knowledge to be available through internet links is paramount to cencorship.

Wouldn't it be beaut if the authorities 'who control what the public are allowed to read' were able to include our research including your Valid Links with the Past webpage at IronIcon? Instead they will only get a watered down version of events - according to Ian Jones whose books are promoted along with the internet address for the Ned Kelly Touring Route. The NKTR is geared to promote private enterprise TOURISM potential at the expense of the thousands and thousands of hours you and I and many many others have spent exploring the story.

It is about achnowledgments of research done - to be shared by all - and not denied.
Bill
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Remembrance Service, Mansfield, Sunday 26th October, 2008
A memorial service was held at the Police Monument in High Street Mansfield on the 26th October 2008 to mark the 130th Anniversary of the tragedy at Stringybark Creek when Sgt Kennedy and Mounted Constables Lonigan and Scanlan lost their lives and the Kelly Gang was created.

Towards the end of the service the Mansfield Colonial Re-enactment group laid a wreath in honour of the three policemen who lost their lives on this fateful day.

I attended this service with daughter, Pam, and two of my grandsons. Later in the day I drove to Stringybark Creek and spent a bit of time reflecting on the event that took place there 130 years ago. I can also report that work on the new carpark at Stringybark Creek is progressing well.

Sheila
 
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Hi All,
Update: Stringybark Creek Project
On Thursday 8th January I visited the Stringybark Creek area. I was happy to see that quite a bit of progress is being made in the upgrade of the area.
Part of the summer crew from Benalla DSE has been quite busy establishing the new track from the Kelly Tree Recreation Reserve to the Kelly Tree. This unfinished track is already being used and the old track is being covered with debris to encourage rehabilitation and to deter people from using it. The old track has been considered an unsafe path since the 2006/2007 bushfires exposed the ‘diggings of the miners’ near this track.

They are also re-orientating a section of the track to the Police Camp site and they have tidied up the rest of this track. The summer rains have assisted the growth of a range of wildflowers that can be found blooming along the sides of the tracks at present.

Work is also starting on the area where the main Information Board will be placed in the reserve, as well as on a new track, with wheel chair access, from the Carpark to the reserve. The site for the new toilets has also been prepared.

Contractors are also spraying the blackberries.

Hopefully more funds/grants will continue to become available to enable the DSE to keep working on this project until it’s completed.

May you all enjoy a happy and fulfilling 2009. Sheila.

DSE = Department Sustainability & Environment
 
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The Stringybark Reference Group (SRG) must have included some great historians to advise the re routing of the track.

Didn't anyone know that track being covered over with debris was the 'original' horse track - that had been in existance since before the shootout!

They can spend many thousands cutting in a new track, where a few bits of $50 mesh would have covered over 'genuine' miners holes for all to see, and have visitors walking on the 'genuine' horse track as well ! Another opportunity lost, so much for all the experts.
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The old walking track from the Kelly Tree Reserve to the Kelly Tree
My view:- I don’t know about it being ever referred to as the ‘original’ horse track! First time I’ve heard that. I believe this track was part of the route of the old timber tramway track that ran up past the Kelly Tree. Prior to the establishment of the Kelly Tree Reserve a track ran from the Stringybark Creek road directly down to the Kelly Tree.
More than likely the Stringybark Creek road follows the path of the old bridle track that ran through the area.

Sheila



 
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Police Camp / Shootout site Stringybark Creek

Hi Bruce, Joe and All,

The ‘gravel/granite sand material’ that is being used on the walking tracks will also be used on the base of the viewing area at the Police Camp/Shootout site.
The rocks that have been placed there will be used for low seating in the designated viewing area at the end of the path near the Barrier and the Information Board.

The barrier is designed to restrict (discourage) visitor access into the site.
Some of the dead timber and debris left by the 2006/2007 bush fires has been removed to improve the view of the swampy area, from behind the barrier.

As far as I can see the workers are being respectful of the site and where possible they are endeavouring to leave it in its natural state.

The current heatwave is slowing the progress of this project as most of the DSE workers are currently on ‘standby’ in case there is a bushfire in this region.
Hopefully there won’t be any fires and the weather will soon become a few degrees cooler.

The ‘March Flies’ are certainly very plentiful and active at this time of the year !! A couple of my young grandsons can attest to that !!

Bye for now Sheila
5th February 2009

 
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Hi Sheila,

Thanks for the update.

YOU WROTE.......

The barrier is designed to restrict (discourage) visitor access into the site.
Some of the dead timber and debris left by the 2006/2007 bush fires has been removed to improve the view of the swampy area, from behind the barrier.

NOW I'm a little CONFUSED........

Is public access denied into the police camp site? if so how will this be enforced? where will the designated viewing area be?

I'm pleased to hear site is being treated respectfully ;-)

A little confused.

Joe.D
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The general area around the camp has been cleared, and you can see the swamp much better, the car park that has been built is on the same side as the dunny, it appears that they are contructing a new dunny block, I for one am not impressed with what they are doing to the place, it may have been a nice idea, BUT..........
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I agree with you Bruce,I am afraid the natural site of the police camp will be spoilt forever due to so called progress.Trees already cut down,what is next I wonder?Hands off DSE leave the site as it was meant to be NATURAL,dont spoil our history .
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Police Camp Shootout site

Hi All,

Public access into the site won’t be denied. If visitors wish to go past the barrier and trample over the site as they now do that will be their choice.
The viewing area will be on the edge of the northern side of the site.

Sheila
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I am trying to remember that song was it "tar and cement" something about you dont know what you have got till its gone, something about tearing down the trees and making a parking lot ?
and putting the trees in a meuseum.

I am no tree hugging greeny hippie but this will be spoilt forever
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Bruce,

Here is a link to the song you are trying to remember? http://www.kovideo.net/lyrics/v/Verdelle-Smith/Tar-And-Cement.html
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I do remember what a kafuffle there was when the police camp was to be opened up to the general Kelly tourist.

Just to set the record straight. -

Back in 2003 and 2004, on behalf of Mansfield Historical Society (Kelly interest group), I made a submission to the DSE.

As Stringybark Ck was part of the Ned Kelly Touring Route initiative it was thought the tourist had better be shown the true sites rather than the unrelated Kelly tree. MHS acted to bring truth to the argument of where it all happened, and who better than MHS members to bring that about.

What was proposed to be done regarding Stringybark Creek was to establish a walking track from the reserve - to the police camp, from there - to Germans Ck and back to the S/bark Ck road. The track was to be no more than 'raked' so people could clearly see where the track was going, - no gravel no special anything - just a tidy up of bush litter and debris on the track.

It was recognised that walking feet and native wild life using this track - it will stay in existence. One other requirement proposed to DSE was to have a forestry team look at any dangerous overhanging trees along the track and cover any deepish mining holes with mesh close along the tracks. As a MHS group with the help of other Kelly community volunteers we could have done that work.

In the event this walking track became less obvious over time if few people used the track to Germans Creek for instance, we suggested to keep in place some coloured ribbon on strategic trees along the way so the ribbons could be followed. Our proposed signage was to be vandal proof 6mm steel plate with laser cut text right through with very simple explanations to the significance of the places. These laser cut messages would stand up to bush fires and being bolted to large trees using hardened steel bolts could not be easily removed.

The above proposal was submitted to DSE estimated cost no more than $5000. Most of these monies was to be spent on making,and installing eight or so signages by DSE. The plans including text were given to DSE - David Hurley and later spoken about with DSE forest manager Kathy Gosby. I was told nothing could be done by us without express permission from DSE - not even placing ribbons on trees or raking.

After three months had passed I rang Kathy Gosby again because I, on behalf of MHS had planned a Kelly Sympathiser walk-in and wanted to place some ribbons on trees following close to the route Sgnt Kennedy would have taken to Germans Ck where he was killed. This would ensure any lagging behind could follow the ribbons back to S/Bark Ck road, and re visit the area later.

Stringybark Creek is part of Mansfield history, and this walk-in had been editorialised in the local Mansfield news papers because there is so much interest in the Kelly story - and could raise urgently needed revenue for MHS via donations collected on the day. (some $100 was collected)

The first walk-in had attracted more than 30 local Kelly enthusiasts assembled at the reserve and was a great success, but when speaking later to DSE they said we had required a special permit for the walk that day as they saw it as an 'event'. DSE are in charge not only of the bush, but also who and what researchers are allowed to do if they assemble as a group !


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Regarding our plans to open up the police camp, Germans Creek and possibly Kellys Creek by way of marking walking tracks to and fro, Kathy Gosby said while our plans were well intentioned they were going to draw up their own for the area seeking Govt finance in the order of $50.000 plus as they are following the initiatives drawn up by the Ned Kelly Touring Route, and She then told me our (MHS) plans looked too 'ad hoc' .

Ad hoc in the dictionary - " ad hoc committee is one set up to deal with one subject only"
I thought the one subject was Kelly and Stringybark Ck! Was there more?

Yes, perhaps Gosby was right, you can't just do it ad hoc, you must cater for all those bus loads of slightly interested travelers - who need to walk on yellow paved gravel tracks, sent by commercial NKTR interests. As always the experts can't see the woods for the trees.

In 2004, Kathy Gosby said she would keep me informed when the time came. Of course you all know I was never invited to be part of any works, but they will adopt our plans we can be sure, with the credit going to very important people.

 
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Bruce, I believe the song you are thinking of is "Big Yellow Taxi" by Joni Mitchell.

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Hi All,
Re the Stringybark Creek Redevelopment Project
There have been a number of negative views expressed;
has anyone got anything positive to say about this project ???

7th February 2009
 
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quote:

Originally posted by Sheila Hutchinson


Hi All,
Re the Stringybark Creek Redevelopment Project
There have been a number of negative views expressed;
has anyone got anything positive to say about this project ???

7th February 2009

 


The Stringybark Creek Redevelopment Project is a wonderful, exciting and far-sighted plan that incorporates not only the very small part Kelly played in the area's history but that of the miners, farmers, woodcutters, flora and fauna. This whole project is designed, not only to facilitate access to the 'Kelly site' but also to teach and inform all who are interested in the area. This includes walkers, campers, historians, and dare I say it, people who just like to go to different areas of this state to see things that may not be able to be seen where they live.
This project will also prove beneficial to a great many of the present infrastructures like toilet and camping facitities as well as better and safer roads, something no sensible person would oppose.
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What about the two Police that were killed there, the site needs to stay in its natural state, I know of at least one other persons ashs that have been scattered there, I have no problem with building the new dunny block across the road but leave the rest of the site natural
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I'm leaving my thoughts on this posting as I saw KC2000 would like the other posting as a protest.

I will state from the outset my thoughts on this have come from what information on the upgrade has been provided on the forum.

With that in mind I think its a good idea having a proper path to a viewing position of the camp.

I know the first two times I visited the park I was disappointed because there was no information there or at the info centre in Mansfield as to where the location of the shootout occured.

All I had was some rough calculations Ian Jones had published in his book and for the average visitor you don't want to tramp off into the bush unless you know for certain.

So on those occasions it was just a look at the 'Kelly Tree' - which I knew wasn't the location of the shootout - I bet 95% of the visitors to the park up till that point would have incorrectly thought it was the site.

Then I was in contact with Bill who supplied a map. Bill had done a great job with the map but because of the natural surroundings at the site even this was hard to find and get to. But I was much more pleased on this occasion as I had a spot I could focus on so as to contemplate this moment in our history.

That's why I think it is a great idea to have a clearly defined path through the area, accompanied with detailed text panels and a place where you can view the historical locations of the story.

Frankly this is what most visitors will want - especially those with families - and thats really why they go there - to see the shootout location. Keeping it as an overgrown path in the middle of the bush only encourages the 'Kelly afficinados' to search it out. The average visitor won't walk off into the bush unless they know for certain where they are going.

As a properly defined path it will be safer for visitors, it will encourage much more to view the spot and with the path taking you to a viewing spot rather that to the centre of the camp site I'm sure most will observe from there rather than venture off the path and thus damage the bush location.

Most importantly though this scheme will inspire more to learn more of the history behind the Kelly story. And isn't this what members of the forum are always calling for - that it would be ideal if more Australians learnt more about the story of Ned Kelly and our heritage.

As one of those who does have a keen interest in the history of the story I would like to see the story continued to be shared - we've all been annoyed by those who have a detailed knowledge of the history and start to act 'elitist' with it. Why keep the location only for 'experts' to visit?

So as far as I'm concerned keep up the good work Sheila and co - and Bill whose been supplying maps and keeping us informed for years - I'm sure my family will appreciate your work on our next visit there.

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9th February 2009

Hi There,

Bill, Please don’t bring the Mansfield Historical Society (MHS) into this discussion.

Your statements
“Back in 2003 and 2004, on behalf of Mansfield Historical Society (Kelly interest group), I made a submission to the DSE”
The MHS didn’t (doesn’t) have a Kelly interest group and they didn’t endorse this submission !!
“ Wherever possible all walking tracks to be left natural, initially raked clear of debris, then if necessary use small coloured markers on trees along the way as originally proposed by Mansfield Historical Society members”
You may have discussed proposals with some members of the MHS but they weren’t adopted by the MHS Committee. The only thing the MHS endorsed was the event we organised. That was the walk around the Kelly sites at Toombullup on 19th March 2005.

You became a member of the MHS on the 3rd February 2005 and when you were the Guest Speaker at the MHS meeting on the 9th March 2005 you expressed your keenness to show everyone ‘what you believed to be the true Kelly sites at Toombullup’ .

Your organised walk into German Creek on the 24th October 2004 attracted about 30 people, (mainly non local participants).

This was before you became a member of the MHS.

Sheila
 
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Sheila, I was incorrect.

By 'Kelly interest group' - I meant certain MHS members interested in the Kelly story.

Where I state " Back in 2003 and 2004, on behalf of Mansfield Historical Society (Kelly interest group), I made a submission to the DSE”

More correctly I should have written 'Back in Aug 2004 - Jan 2005, and on behalf of the MHS - I made a submission to DSE'. The plans were to allow all Kelly enthusiasts to find the true Kelly sites on their own.
August 2004, I gave a letter re S/bark ck with the key points for a submission to DSE David Hurley for consideration.

In early 2005 you and I proposed to create an A4 map for the walk-in to Catherine Spencer of DSE. This plan was also tabled by you at a MHS meeting. You state correctly MHS committee did not adopt the plan.

However, on 26 May 2005, Catherine Spencer (who I recall had taken over from David Hurley) wrote you a reply email where in she said she had passed the request for walk-in tracks Pamphlet that could update their existing Forest Notes pamphlet to their forest manager, and said - quote " There is a chance that the Stringybark area may be 'upgraded' over the next couple of years"

So here we can see why MHS would not adopt our plans because DSE had another plan - in association with the Ned Kelly Touring Route under the guidance of Ian Jones).

That's why our plans were kyboshed.


 
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10th February 2009

Hi Bill,

Who gave you permission to make the submission on behalf of the MHS ??
It certainly wasn’t me !

The only thing that was tabled at a MHS meeting was the proposed itinerary for the organised walk that took place on the 19th March 2005.

On the 5th June 2005 I sent my suggested updates for the DSE Forest Note for the Toombullup area to Catherine Spencer.

On the 28th June 2005 I accompanied two DSE members on a field trip to Toombullup.

Yes, we did discuss the possibility of compiling an Information Sheet to compliment the DSE Forest Note but this didn’t eventuate.

The DSE have been seeking funds to upgrade the Stringybark Creek area for sometime.

Bye for now Sheila
 
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For those who have not been able to follow the developments at Stringybark Creek, I group all relevant threads before they drop off the end of the page -

see threads

SBC Upgrade Plans On Display Thru June 3
http://www.ironicon.com.au/newforum/sbcupgradeplansondisplay.htm 

New Jones book out
http://kellycountry2000.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~410.asp



 

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1st May 2009

Hi All,

Here’s my, ‘bit of an update’ on the Stringybark Creek project.
The devastating fires and following recovery works have slowed progress on this project but what has been done to date is looking good.

The carpark area is nearing completion. Now that we have had some most welcome rain the replanting of plants that were removed from the carpark area by DSE staff and volunteers prior to construction commencing, will soon be carried out. Some species that didn’t survive the ‘potting process’ are starting to regenerate naturally on site, which is good to see.

The new double toilet unit with a small tank and hand basin has been installed and the old one removed.

The rock seating surrounding the Interpretation shelter in the Day Visitor Area has been completed and DSE summer crew are now working on paving this area. Their stone work is very impressive.
The gravel that had been laid on the walking track in the day visitor area and to the Kelly Tree is now scattered with natural leaf fall and is already starting to blend into the natural landscape.
Other heaps of gravel are yet to be spread onto the remaining walking tracks.

Two low stone seats have been constructed ‘just at the entrance of the Police Camp site’.

Preparations have also been made for the installation of the two new foot bridges at the walking track crossing sites at the rather dry, Stringybark creek. (A week ago the creek was bone dry but maybe running again now after about 80mls of rain !!)

Safety works on the Kelly Tree and trees in the day visitor and car park area have been carried out. There is still a quite a bit of work to be done to complete this stage of the project, such as the decking at the Kelly Tree and the installation of the Signs and Barriers.

During the time the DSE workers have spent at Stringybark Creek they have been somewhat surprised at the number of visitors to the site. They have also remarked on the positive comments they have received regarding this redevelopment project.


Bye for now. Sheila.
 
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Sounds great!
I look forward to seeing it.
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Thanks Sheila for the report.
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With all this tooing and frowing over the site, I can't wait till I can get up there and have a look. I'm all for leaving things as natural as possible and minimising tourist impact on the area. Of some concern is the record of the DSE in some projects they have undertaken. Only a squiz at the site will tell.

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Hi All,

Stringybark Creek Redevelopment Project Update
19th August 2009

Over the past few months I have enjoyed a few trips to Stringybark Creek to check on the work in progress by the DSE works crew and I’m pleased to report on recent tasks undertaken.
An arborist was employed to check the health of the Kelly Tree and carry out safety works on trees in the carpark, day visitor area, Kelly Tree etc. The discarded limbs were cut up and mulched and spread around the new toilet area. The plants that survived being dug up and potted prior to commencement of work have been replanted in the carpark area.

Cypress posts and handrails now line the wheel chair friendly entrance to the Kelly Tree Reserve (Day Visitor Area) from Stringybark Creek Road.

The rock work around the frame for the new interpretative signage has been completed and it looks great. New picnic tables are being built and will be installed along with new BBQ's.

Kelly Tree: The deck with handrails and seat has been placed around the front of the tree. A bit more work on the path is needed to allow wheelchair access onto the deck. For public safety a barrier has been installed behind the tree.

At the moment most of the walking tracks are closed, they will re-open after winter. The reason given for the closure is for public safety and to protect the walking tracks and other works over winter. During last week there was more than 30ml of rain in this area !

The footbridges and handrails have been installed at the two creek crossings. The steps on the eastern side of both bridges will be put in when the weather is drier. It is good to see the Stringybark Creek running again.

Gravel has been laid on all of the walking tracks. When the ground dries up a bit these tracks will be re-rolled. Barriers to block access to various mine shafts have also been installed along the walking tracks.
On my last visit I didn’t walk into the Police Camp site so I don’t know if the barriers have been installed there yet.

Campground area: Work is also progressing well here with a new ‘ring road’ constructed on this site and preparations being made for some tree plantations.

The new signage and interpretation panels are ready to be installed. No doubt this will happen in the near future.

Courtesy of Dave - Some of my photographs can be viewed at http://www.nedonthenet.com/latest_sbc.htm

Bye for now. Sheila
 
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Thanks Sheila, it is pleasure to host the pics for you.
I am keen to get up there and see for myself.
It has been a while, Dave.
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Hi all,

Dave has posted a few photographs I took on Saturday 10th October of the recently installed Information Boards/Signs at Stringybark Creek.
http://www.nedonthenet.com/MORE%20SBC.htm
There is still quite a bit of work to be done before the upgrade of this historic area is completed.

Bye for now Sheila
 
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Hi Sheila,
Must admit the Information Boards/Signs looks really nice......thx for sharing the pic's sheila. Just one question thou.....the caps on the mine shaft, have they been placed on all mine shafts?

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Hi Joe,
There are no plans to cap all the mine shafts in the SBC area,
only the ones that are deemed unsafe for visitors, (maybe only two or three)
The one in the photograph is quite deep.

Bye for now Sheila
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Great pics but the police camp is the wrong site !

I just love those imitation spear grass lilies and those Castlemaine slate slabs strewn about the entrance to the wrong site. It really does take a landscape artist and a few historians to come up with such exquisite beauty.

How can they proceed to lead people up the garden path when they know there is an investigation to the true site of the 'police camp' going on?

Regarding the signage, It was I that suggested vandal / fire proof laser cut steel plate but I am not sure about all those fake bullet holes. Now here's a challenge for someone.

Signed I. Cringe

See http://www.ironicon.com.au/stringybarkckinvestigation.htm
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Hi Sheila,

Ok thanks for the update. Looking fwd to any further updates


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Talking about cringing, I cringed bad when I first saw the photo of the information sign for the wombat holes featuring Constable McIntyre! Talk about eternal humiliation! Poor Mac to have his less-than-finest moment immortalized like that! It inspired me to write an article for Dave's site(s) that I titled "The Eternal Humiliation of Thomas McIntyre" which I hope will be uploaded this coming weekend. Will put the link here when it is a fait accompli.

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All,

I was going to start a new thread but may as well post it here. I thought it was a good read as the author obviously put some feeling in his thoughts. Here's a snippet.......

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"The scene at Stringybark Creek is quite secluded and very picturesque. Tall stringybark gums dominate the landscape and casually drape their long, bark strips across the bushland. While I was there bird cries, including the kookaburra, echoed sporadically along the valley. The dampness of the setting gave a stronger pungency to the bushland scents and made walking in places a rather slushy experience. The fading afternoon sunlight conjured up a cold, fragile beauty, edged with a lonely, melancholic sense of the place. As I left the creek to its night time rituals I was warmed by full sunlight still drenching the western descent of the ranges. It was as if I had just stepped from the canvas of a Frederick McCubbin painting"

Read more...

http://jimlow.net/stringybark.htm

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Having read Sharon's draft I reckon it will be very popular. Yes Joe it does sound like the author has the feel, I could not open your link at work but good point. Dave
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Must admit lok'n fwd to another good read! bring on the w/e

How does it look Dave will it be uploaded this w/e?

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Hi Dave,

I logged onto nedonthenet.com and found a brief write up on Shazza's new article.... but it appears not to be there. .....it says "this is the link" but can't find it........ any thoughts?

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Joe, it was taking Dave quite a while to get it loaded as he is back to dial up speed for the rest of the month..and I got tired during the process and went on to bed. Usually I spot check and give final approval before he goes "live" with my stuff. I got up today and noticed that he had linked the article to my View From Abroad page where I have blurbs for all my articles archived so folks can find them easily and click into them. He must have been part way of the process at the time you logged in!
Maybe he can fix it where it goes direct, or everyone can just click in as they like to any of the archived articles.

Anyway, here is the direct link to my article:

http://nedonthenet.com/humiliation.htm


Hope you enjoy it!


Sharon

edited to fix a word

Edited by - Sharon Hollingsworth on 25/10/2009 06:27:53 AM
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Oh, forgot to mention....there was suppose to be a caption saying "Courtesy of Sheila Hutchinson" for the photo in the article. Somehow it got left off in the confusion. Sheila had sent in several SBC photos for Dave's sites and I hope she does not mind I appropriated one for the article. The photo is what motivated me to write the article in the first place! Maybe Dave can fix that bit as he gets time. :)

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G'day Joe, sorry for the delay mate.
I stayed up til 2:30am trying to get that right on both sites.
We have been parred back to dialup and that is causing grief. Managed to get most done but only one site I was able to mention Sheilas pics. Is very frustrating when this happens but I refuse to pay more for ISP on top of everything else. Regardless it is worth it when you get a quality article as Sharon always submits. As an aside, today I took pics in the SLV of armour and Glenrowan relics which I will add to 1880 if kids give me back that laptop.
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Hi Dave, Shaz,

All good thx......nice work shaz

Glad you sorted out the furphy surrounding Macca's boots. hee hee

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Glad you liked the article, Joe. I only wish they could have gotten the proper information re the boots/socks in the hole furphy before carving it into stone (metaphorically speaking)!

Thanks for all the technical website stuff you have done, Dave. I also appreciate the fact that you give me a showcase for my writing.

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I might have to time articles for the first week of the month before we have used up our limits! I managed to load a couple of pics from the SLV yesterday of interest though, Dav.
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Hi all,

Has anyone visited the SLV lately ......if not, I suggest we make an effort to visit the slv, well worth it!! Todays visit was a welcome surprise for me Log in to dave's site for the latest pic's.

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I am wondering if the no photo policy at SLV has changed?
Perhaps it depends if you use a flash (I did not).
Here is the link Joe: http://www.glenrowan1880.com/dig_finds.htm I was hoping that they would have more 'finds' on display too. Maybe one day we may see them all somewhere.

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Dave,at our last 2 visits to the SLV we were permitted to take any photos at the Kelly exhibition.(this was in 2007 and late 2008).Both times we asked the lady at the info bay on the ground floor and we were told it was okay and my son Peter and his mates took plenty of them.However our previous visit,they said absolutely no.So I guess in answering your question,they must have changed the rules. Regards Bob

 
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Thanks for taking the pics at the SLV, Dave, for those of us who can't get there!

Re the dig finds, I was hoping that they would have a published report on it available to the public at some point. Would be great if the report was illustrated with full colour photos of all 7,500 artefacts, too! I don't ask for much do I?


I guess we will have to wait and load any possible future articles on the first DAY of the month before your boys do all their gaming downloads!

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27th October 2009

Re Mounted Constable Thomas McIntyre No. 2384

Hi All,

Enjoyed reading Sharons’ McIntyre article, maybe some of the recently ‘rediscovered police papers’ will reveal more about this part of the Kelly story.

Don’t think I’ve ever snickered at the thought of Const. McIntyre concealing himself in a wombat burrow. I believe this burrow would have been a very welcome refuge at the time. Wonder if those who ridiculed him would have done the same if they were in this situation.
I’m sure the Sidney Nolan's 1946 painting "Policeman in Wombat Hole" depicted on this board wasn’t deliberately chosen to ridicule Const. Thomas McIntyre in any way.

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I used to get very annoyed that I could not take pics of the armour when it belonged to all of us. Especially after I was the one who found that shouldercap in the first place, otherwise Ned's armour could not have been on display as complete as it is today.
My youngest son took pics one day of the paintings at SLV and was asked to stop, what did they think he would do with them? The whole issue of copyright is wrong. Why should we have to pay SLV for a copy of a Siege image to use in a book? The photos should belong to us all. Dave

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All,

Dave thx for the link.

Shaz, without saying too much there will be a public report released to the public of the dig & its artifacts. I had expected it to have been published by now however it has not. I send an email to the source to find out it progress. What a bonus to have a report fully illustrated with colour pic’s.

As with the point of being allowed to takes Pic’s I think it all depends on who is on duty at the time and the mood of the person. Yesterday I took pic’s of the dig artifacts, etc and to my surprise security walked straight past me without saying a word It is rather strange thou that no signage is visible and yet some say photos are permitted and then others say no......

P.S.....I’ll get back to you all once I hear back from my source re: the report.

Dave, have you taken note of the small faded inscription on the butt of Ned’s rifle near the engraved NK? It’s very small & sits just above the NK in a vertical position. Would you or anyone know what it reads????

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Joe, I had heard about a report coming out long ago, but wondered where it had gotten to! Looking forward to it!

I am not sure which rifle you refer to, but didn't Ned have one that he carved the words "son of Red" on?

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I was reamed by a security guard back when "Kelly Culture" exhibition was on at State Library for daring to take a photo of the oversized Sidney Nolan/Olympic effigy. Great exhibition. Rubbish rule. By comparison, at the same time, I was able to snap away at Matt Shores "Legend of Ned Kelly" exhibition at Southbank.

I had the same problem with the South Australian State Library when the Kelly Helmet visited here in early 2008. Good to hear the SLV may have softened though. I think even Ian Jones had a problem some years ago getting photo of Armour for "A Short Life" so had to settle for Matt Shore and Brendan Pearces replica!! (2nd edition.)
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Hi Shaz,

RE: The report! I'm waiting for a call from the source.....shouldn’t be too long now ;-)

The rifle I'm referring to is the one in the display cabinet alongside Ned's armour & Boot. If "son of red" is infact the inscribed words then the only way to read the inscription is via magnifying glass for a clearer reading.

P.S.......I dont think this is the rifle that has the inscription "son of red" I could be wrong thou..... or then could it be? I suppose one way to sort this theory out is to contact the SLV.

Thx for the feedback Shaz.

Joe.D
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I am not sure which rifle that is at the State Library (Ned had so many!), but the one I
was thinking of was mentioned in Corfield and it said it was a
Snider-Enfield that Ned inscribed with NK Son of Red and was formerly
owned by one of the blacktrackers, Moses, who "probably 'inherited' it
from Corporal Sambo." Said it was given to one of the sympathisers
before Glenrowan and was sold at auction in 1972 to the owner of a Sydney Gallery.

I knew that one of the guns had that on it!

So it must be a different one at the Library? What is the provenance of the one they have?

Anyway, here is a link to a pic of the Son of Red inscription:

 http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/programs/exhibitions/kmg/2003/kellyculture/kellyana1.html

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Hi Shaz,

Excellent work!! your spot on once again.

The link you attached helped...... the inscription can just be made out...... NK SON OF RED

thx again shaz.....your always on the ball.

Joe.D
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Glad to be of help! I have done some further looking in Corfield as he mentioned that Mary Luplau had the rifle in her possession at the time of her death (as well as some of those cow horns) and that it went to auction a few years later...I went to the entry about her and it said that "the gun was sold at auction in 1972 and was subsequently presented to the State Library of Victoria."

I should have delved deeper earlier!

At least one mystery is solved!

Sharon
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What a lot of dribble, what has this got to do with Stringybark Creek News !

No wonder this forum is a lost cause.
95% of the readers come back only to see if some order and substance is brought back into the subject.

Are you incapable of self moderation * ?

The last 25 posting have nothing to do with Stringybark creek at all.

PS, * Not including Robert or Mark.
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It does not really matter what is posted where Bill because YOU will always post the same stuff about SBC over and over and over and people accept that without saying too much when it is YOU trying to ram your theories down our throats. It would be a sad day on this forum if the likes of Joe and Sharon stop posting just because you call this 'dribble'. If you think this forum is a lost cause may I suggest you take another break from posting and let the rest enjoy this forum. There is nothing stopping you creating your own forum Bill. If others feel I am wrong here I am happy to pull my head in,these are just my opinions. Dave.
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95% of the readers come back only to see if some order and substance is brought back into the subject?!?! Huh? Wha'?? WTF???

If that is true, then they sure as heck don't deserve to get all the Kelly news and information that some of us have been bringing here for the past few years.



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oh, yeah, forgot to add....yes, I am capable of self-moderation.

Sharon

ATTENTION:

I would like to say that part of my witty retort was deleted by the moderator and NOT by me.

Edited by - Sharon Hollingsworth on 31/10/2009 01:53:05 AM
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Thank you Joe, Sharon and Dave
Without your input the forum may as well not be. I see nothing wrong with branching out from an original post. As they say one thing leads to another, this is exactly what has happened here.

I did not know of the inscription on Ned's rifle. Once again Joe thankyou for highlighting this and a thank you to you Sharon also for solving it.

Bill I see, hear and have come to the opinion you are not welcomed on the forum, you have angered many and this is one reason why many of us will not participate. Treat others as you would like to be treated, you may just make a new circle of friends.

What is the big deal of a thread branching out onto another topic? I just don't get it.

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Max, Confucius say: He who dare intrude realm of Wombat King shall incur wrath of ignorance.
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Sharon and Joe D and others - keep on posting and finding new information and new ways of looking at old information, and don't worry too much if the thread ranges far and wide. That is the unstructured nature of a forum to which all can contribute, and, personally speaking, if someone can show me something new and interesting, I really don't care what thread it started out in, or how far away it strays from the original topic.

Sharon, Joe D and others, it is to be regretted that your contributions have been described as 'dribble.' Ironic that this discourteous and potentially hurtful term comes from someone that urges 'self-moderation.' Consistency abounds in this post. We were informed that the last 25 postings had nothing to do with Stringybark Creek, even though Sheila's post of 27 October, only eight posts away, was about MacIntyre and the wombat hole. I would have thought that was pertinent to SBC, but I can't really pose as an expert on the topic. Further, Mark and Robert seem to be absolved from criticism (bet that was a relief) even though Mark's post, also of 27 October, does not seem to have much to do with SBC. (Apologies in advance, Mark, for mentioning your name when I don't know you.)

Finally, it's been a while since I have posted. I have been too busy to make a meaningful contribution because, like 95 percent of you, I've been too busy checking the forum ten times daily to see if 'order and substance' has been restored.

Edited by - brianfstevenson on 31/10/2009 02:09:47 AM
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I noted above in my post that part of it was deleted by someone other than me. Be aware that I did not change it! By the way, this is my LAST post here.

Sharon
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Yes i removed part of your post as per my only real rule here, it may have been tongue in cheek, every body knows what you were trying to say about WTF, and the other comment, i had a complaint from a school age girl who reads the forum. She did not think it was a "witty retort " .
If i get complaints then things get deleted, everybody is in the same boat here.
Sorry if you are not going to post anymore, and that you feel that way
its a shame when one unwelcome comment can make such an impact
dont blame me I dont write this stuff written by other people
if people dont like the forum then they dont have to read it
There are no real guide lines about changing subject matter in a thread , but things can get lost
If you look at the home page of the site there is a picture of the rifle displayed at SL.KC2000


 

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It's a real shame that Sharon does not want to post here any more, or at least for the present. She is just about the last person to want to offend anyone, and has so often been a lot more kind, reasonable and even reconciliatory under provocation than what most of us would be. I regret that the school girl was offended, but even with regard to this, Sharon was sensitive enough to use an abbreviation for something that, regrettably, kids hear every day.

My hope is that she will reconsider her position and continue to share her thoughts, insights, and, most of all, her discoveries on the saga. I think all will cordially concur that her contributions are pretty impressive for a North Carolinian who does not have access to the resources in Australia. She has always been more than generous to the forum with regard to sharing information as well, because her formidable and intuitive research skills come with as kind a heart as I have ever experienced. It is a loss to all of us.
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Unfortunate turn for the forum....pity all round really
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G'day all,
As someone who browses these post often but these days rarely comments, I think it is very sad that a person of Sharons obvious research skills should be rubbished in the way that she was. She has been a constant source of interesting information over many years now which many of us don't have the time or abbility to discover for ourselves. I'm no expert on the Kelly story but I know a lot more than I did thanks to people like Sharon Hollingsworth. I remember a post six months or so ago where the topic went off on a different focus and I went back & forward with Joe D talking about W.A.! I suppose to certain people that would be a hanging offence! Keep it fun & keep the info flowing, It's how we learn is'nt it?

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Sharon’s comments were cut because of “a complaint from a school age girl who reads the forum”
Crikey! I hope this poor flower does not read any other forums online where she may learn a thing or two. Sorry KC2000 but have you visited Face Book of late? It is the young ones who post words that would make you and I blush. Regardless of this Sharon did not actually say anything that needed culling, it was within one’s imagination as to what she actually meant.
“if people dont like the forum then they dont have to read it”
Very true KC2000, unfortunately having Sharon leave means in a short while very few will actually read this forum. Perhaps some may believe that I am wrong, think about it for a second, who has consistently (ever since this forum began) posted the most interesting ‘Kelly’ facts that none of us ever knew about before? SHARON HOLLINGSWORTH!
I know Sharon better than most and I know how many hours she sifts information to give her posts and replies. No one else would do that for this forum I am sure.
It has been said in the past that ‘Serious researchers’ cannot wade through this stuff looking for information, if these researchers were so good they would already know said information. I find also that these same people never post anything, they just soak up the bits they want and still complain.
Davo said “Keep it fun & keep the info flowing, It's how we learn is'nt it?”
I think he hit the nail on the head, a forum should be constantly flowing and it is like a living organism where we follow its path. It is a real shame that due to one persons negative post we have lost the heart and soul of this forum.
It is unfair to the new posters who may want to learn about Ned, if there are such people about I will still be here to offer my knowledge (for what it is worth) because I would like help if the shoe were on the other foot.
If you want Sharon to return please let her know your feelings and support as several have already. I for one will miss her posts if she does not return.
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Sharon. COME BACK!!!! Dave and others are spot on. I for one have learnt a lot from you. Don't let this rubbish get to you too much. Hope to hear from you very soon. Cheers. MP
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I will not allow comments to be posted here like "go **** yourself" end of discussion
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?

Seems a sorry state to end an important thread this way. I will leave it like this for now but will clean up the red bits later .
It all started when I, (Bill) called for some dribble moderation  as many postings have little to do with title threads e,g Stringybark Ck. Sharon thinking only she is is creating the dribble looses the plot and offends Bruce who pulls Sharon's hair or posting, Dave spits the dummy in sympathy... Then on another thread Bill's avatar image is mis used by another forum member, a 'pseudonym' perhaps with mischievous intent. Bill asks admin for his image to be removed immediately, admin say they can't but later they can. Sharon and Dave start to delete all their postings leaving hundreds of threads disjointed making them un readable and no sense at all. The moral of this story is - don't depend on your valuable input being there for ever unless you can back up, and don't let a few dominate a public forum, backup your postings if they are important.