The story of Ned Kelly and the Kelly Gang is firmly placed in the
history of Australia.
very large number of Australians, Ned Kelly is regarded as a folk
hero, and the exploits of the Kelly Gang are increasingly attracting
more and more of the Kelly story unfolds, far from being seen as an
outlaw, Ned Kelly will become an Australian icon.
This website is dedicated to report on stories and research to do with
Kelly and the gang.
Views expressed within these pages are not necessarily agreed to by
all, but we invite all theories, research and hypotheses to partake in
Main story - Stringybark Creek
It all started with this story
in The Age
Kelly find leaves theory of shootings up the creek Melbourne newspaper ' The Age' on 10 Feb 2003 by Geoff Strong.
A gunpowder flask recovered from the ' Shingle' hut site (dating from
of the Kellys) proves where the Kelly gang shootout occurred. The Age
article headline, true to its word was not appreciated by eminent Kelly historian Mr. Ian
Jones, who had declaring the huts finding as 'codswollup' on Melbourne ABC
morning radio 774 AM. Mr.Jones's denigrating remark was unfortunate,
since the huts finding proves the location of the shootout .
Huts at Stringybark Creek.
The only 'on the ground' research website into the haunts of the Kelly
Gang.Two bush hut fireplaces found at Stringybark Ck by
Kelly researcher Bill Denheld, re-establishes the exact
location where two police troopers were killed by the Kelly gang in Oct
1878. This site is on the west bank and contrary to the east bank
site to where tourists are being led by miss informed authorities *
The Police Camp Site; There has been an exhaustive investigation to identify
the site. The
investigation team was led by Bill Denheld and Linton Briggs and at the
offset, any outcome was to be agreed to by all before publishing. There
is a strong background slope in the old 1878 photo of where trooper Lonigan was shot,- Identify that slope on the ground and we can
identify the proper site. But what do you have to do to convince each
member to see. Join us to decipher and separate the bull from the dust.
You be the judge ? *
final document for identifying the authentic site of the Kelly /police
shootout at SBC. Over
a period of 12 months a team of five have studied the sites,
pondered over and over the evidence only to disagree. The majority of
team members favored the area near the Kelly tree to which Bill could
not agree. Bill was advised if he could not agree with the team's
selection and paper
CSI@SBC, then he should write his own.
endeavor to have the team see their error, Bill however, could not put
his name to their document that failed on many fundamental points, one
the slope in the Burman photo. This is Bill's paper that
leads you through the only site to pass the photo test. *
The subject of the Stringybark Creek police camp, the shooting dead of the
three Police by the Kelly Gang, the exact spot is no longer a mystery.
With logic and on ground 'primary source evidence' for all to see, three
other contended sites have been proven negative. But the proponents of
those sites don't seem able to accept historical truth when presented to
Please continue to read their opposing documents, then also see their
web-forum debates and their ill conceived arguments. People I have
shown this site to, like
Tim Flannery, global warming
John Doyle, award winning writer, radio presenter
of important recently published book'Ned Kelly Unmasked', author
his latest book 'Ned Kelly',
all these people and dozens more
highly professional observers
all agree with my evidence presented, that the site of two huts
fireplaces at SBC being the true correct site. All I ask is for my
opponents to present a compelling case to the contrary!
Forget all the hoopla, maybe etc, etc prove your case for another site.
Scene Investigation at Stringy Bark Creek,Initial team member, Bill Denheld
received his digital draft copy of the team's document only to find his
compelling Two Huts research
totally ignored. Seeing their many glaring mistakes. I (Bill) returned
my digital copy with comments in blue text. I could hardly believe
these fellow researchers
could be so blinkered. Gosh I thought, if history can be construed like
this 'and in print' we certainly have to question accepted written
history. For the sake of historical truth, lets hope future students
will see through this travesty.
the CSI fight back while I was excluded.
Sunday 5th August 2012 at the Beechworth Ned Kelly weekend. the authors of the CSI@SBC paper proposed
the TRUE site of the Kelly gang / police shootings is located at or near
the Kelly tree along Stringy Bark Creek north of Mansfield Victoria.
This link takes you to a copy of a slanted argument from which Bill had
been excluded, except here he makes his comments
earlier Ned Kelly forum debate about S-B-Creek-
KC2000 Forum. Since 2008 there has been ongoing debate about the authentic site at
Stringybark Creek and with more than 500 postings and more than 18.000 reads on this
subject. Forum owner Admin has made these pages
accessible only to
'members'. With organisations such as Heritage Vic, DSE, Police H.Unit
and the public all denied access to what was a public open forum
that relied upon external links, are now blocked unless you are a
member, and makes this forum a travesty, but here then is the complete
pages for everyone
These above 'true copies of forum pages' started out in the public
domain in 2008, but they are locked away from public view despite
the fact there remains constant attack on my research of the two huts
site scenario. At the time I wanted to protect the integrity of these
and to that end, I copied and stored them at the very time when
their administrators began to allow deletions of certain postings that did
not enhance their 'pseudonym' debaters at crucial points along
the debate, I saw this a form of censorship of postings that were intended
to change the very meaning and outcome of the debate without any regard
for history! If this is how history is recorded, then I am very
disappointed with accepted written history. Please take your time to read through all
these web links and you will be able to make up your own mind. Bill
about the Kelly gang -
Kelly hut on Bullock Creek may not have been the only hut.
UPDATE, This looks at the
possibility there were two huts occupied by the Kelly's at Bullock Ck. One
was described by Constable
James who found the Kelly camp one month after the killings at
Stringybark Ck, the other is a photo of a hut, but the
description doesn't match the photo? Here is a possible answer to the vexing
question, were there TWO huts at Bullock Ck ? Another
recent discovered is a 1930's photo of the Kelly Ck sawmill that was
built directly over one of the Kelly camp hut sites. The picture
shows a tree that could be one of the Kelly target trees.*
Bullets of Kellys Creek
During 1985 Bill Denheld is metal detecting at Kelly's Ck, where the Kellys lived for
up to six months leading up to the shoot out with the police at
Stringybark Ck. It stood to reason that some bullets fired by the
at target trees had missed the target. Included
only known photos of the actual trees fired at by the Kellys' during their
target practice at Bullock Creek 1878 ( later renamed Kelly's Ck, The
photos of target trees were discovered during Aug 2003 some 125
years later. The target trees date from well before the shootings at
Stringybark Ck. *
hut behind the school.
When the Kelly Gang were on the run during 1879-80 they were protected
by many sympathisers and local farmers in N. East Victoria. This is
another HUT discovery story still evolving. ' The hut behind the
school ' was known about by locals long ago, but where it stood has only
now been discovered by a group of Kelly researchers led by Alan
Gibb, Arthur Hall and Marcus Swinburne. Each a descendant of land
owners who were there at the time, they came together to solve a 100
year old mystery. With some old local knowledge and modern
technology this little know piece of Kelly history is now for all to
read. However, does anyone know of this hut pictured? This hut is
not the hut behind the school- but was a Kelly gang occupied hut. But
where was this? *
the History Teachers Association of Victoria,
'Agora magazine, has published - The Politics
of Ned , Bill
Denheld What links did Ned Kelly and his
associates have with the republican and Federation movements in
14 Dec 2012.
research where Sergeant Kennedy died.
or Stringybark Ck ?
Kennedy was the officer in charge of the Mansfield police party to hunt for the
Kelly brothers. Following the fatal shootout with the Kelly gang at
StringyBark Ck ( SBC) where two police were killed, the Sergeants body was not
found till five days later some 800 meters away from the police
camp. We have to decide which side of the creek ?This
research reports on the quest to find the area using all recorded information.
gang helmet armour
This is a 1/3rd scale replica is of Ned's helmet.
Each of the Kelly gang's helmets have been replicated and are
available as a collectable set.
These models are very close to the originals in
detail and each exhibit all the nuances of blacksmiths
work. They are
authentic in every detail and may never again be
reproduced in sets of four. In this page we also analyze ' who may have made the
amours' simply by the study of design features and plenty of conjecture.
death mask and faces of Ned Kelly.
The original death
mask was part of a special display at Maxmillion Kreitmeyer's Waxworks
in Bourke Street Melbourne 1880 the morning after Ned's execution.
Kreitmeyer was reputed to have made the first impression from Ned's
face, however, new information suggests the death
mask may have been made by an accompanying Sydney Waxworks owner
Desiderio Cristofani working with Maxmillion Kreitmeyer. *
rumoured as the hideout of the Kellys' leading up to the police murders
at Stringy Bark Creek only weeks later has been identified by
Stephen Handbury 27 July 2014. This
cave was first reported to the police as a likely place where the Kellys'
may be hiding, and most likely the first day excursion led by Sergeant
Kennedy and Const Scanlan to find it.
But this may not have been the only cave being looked for- See Feedback
and Two Huts stories
If you have an opinion
or can add to the story, have your say.
Ned Kelly and Stringy Bark Creek are an important starting point to the Kelly story, share your
thoughts or critique, agree or disagree and claim a genuine fragment of the
target tree. This tiny wood keepsake relic
of Australian folklore history is limited.. *
case for James Whitty.In this interesting thesis by author
the vilification of James Whitty who in contemporary Kelly history books
is seen as Ned Kelly's arch
enemy because through one incident Kelly gained a bad reputation and become known as a horse and cattle
thief. If the truth be known, the author provides insight into the
Whitty / Kelly affair. Later, Kellys self professed
thievery could be seen as a prank following 'blame it on the Kellys'
after Whitty's bull went missing. It was more to do with social standing
Deposition papers of Thomas McIntyre.He was the
sole survivor of the shootout with the Kelly gang at Stringybark Ck. On
the margin of his court papers for the prosecution of Ned Kelly, someone
has drawn a little hut. We like to believe this hut drawing represents
the Shingle hut near where the police had camped. Sharon Hollingsworth brings
to light who may have drawn this hut doodle.
last words not 'such is life'A
LEADING Queensland psychiatrist, Dr Scott has diagnosed legendary
bushranger Ned Kelly as a violent and vindictive psychopath — and
dismissed his famous last words ‘such is life’ as a myth.
Dr Scott joined with Melbourne historian and author of ‘The Kelly Gang
Unmasked’, Ian MacFarlane, to reach remarkable conclusions about the
bushranger for an article in the journal Psychiatry, Psychology and
Read book Abstract
Kelly: Villain or Victim? Steve Hodder It will be 134 years this week since
notorious bushranger Ned Kelly was hanged in a Victorian prison for the
murder of police constable Thomas Lonigan. At recent police remembrance
services, Kelly has again been branded a psychopath but who, asks STEVE
HODDER, were the real villains in the tale of Australian history’s most
famous outlaw? Note; thumbnail left shows
Dan Kelly's helmet !
Geographic article does not put Ned's DNA to rest ?
Glenrowan-based historian Gary Dean, who has been researching the Kelly
history for more than 40 years, says while there's a strong possibility
the remains belong to Kelly, he's not convinced the connection has been
conclusively proven. DNA passed along the male line is needed in
addition to mitochondrial DNA that was passed down from Kelly's sister,
he says -
links with the Past”
Kelly Sites Toombullup beginning 1885... Historians,Sheila Hutchinson and Fay Johnson bring you back to where the Kelly occupation had left its
mark. Using their fascinating research, the exact location of
the Kelly target tree and the
Kelly hut site can be plotted on
As expected the Kelly related sites were marked on the earliest maps of the district.
They advance material to suggest the shoot out site was north of the
picnic ground at SBC.
Kelly Centre at Glenrowan.
An Open Letter to the People of Glenrowan August 2005, 300 residents were sent the open letter questionnaire for their thoughts.
The Open Letter found that the majority of townsfolk
wanted a Ned Kelly Centre in Glenrowan,
they felt that the town would benefit from the Centre, they felt they
had been consulted enough about the generalities of the proposal and
that the authorities should now actively pursue
the final design and construction of the Ned Kelly Centre. *
Gary Dean's website is one of the
original sites. Much of his research has a basis upon generations of
intimate and local knowledge concerning the real story. The genealogy of
Gang member descendants can be traced to the present day plus loads of
other information not found elsewhere. The archive section was previously a
pay site, but now free to all. This site is a key stone site to
the whole Kelly story. A passionate researcher of Kelly, Gary is the
guru, and is distantly related to the Kelly clan as well as to the
very lady who sewed up the Eureka flag Anastasia Withers.
fossicker unlocks Kelly armour mystery? SM Herald 30 Sept 2006
army of historians and folklore aficionados have been unable to
establish in the 131 years since the armour made its mark on Australian
judicial legend, where was it made? Beechworth local
Darren Sutton believes he has found the forge where Byrne's armour suit
Darren found a piece of iron offcut that he claims matches part of Joe
Byrnes armour. - reports Age writer-
Steve Waldon . Unfortunately
however, scientific analysis of the Darren's iron piece has proven a
metallurgical negative match to the real Joe Byrne armour which leaves Darren
with a tricky problem to overcome.See Darren's iron
piece match Byrne armour in Benalla.
of the Glenrowan Inn
Anne Jones's hotel.
The siege site of The Glenrowan Inn as photographed the morning of 28
Today the hotel site plays a very important historical roll in the
retelling of the siege at Glenrowan. Luckily, the land where the hotel
once stood has not been redeveloped largely due to the conservator
owners the Briggs family of Glenrowan. *
OutlawWebmaster Brad Webb has created
what is the most impressive directory of all things Kelly. Amongst
his regular writers Alan Crichton
'Keep Ya Powder Dry'reports on Kelly events and are a laugh and a half . Also
check out Readers Feedback which spans from 1999.
Seems more happens onIO Facebook
than this big website!
The works at Stringybark
Creek have to be stopped ,
Historian Ian Jones is wrong on Stringybark Police camp site in his new
The three creeks at Stringybark are to be Heritage listed.
13th May 2008, Jeremy Smith of Heritage Victoria gives the go ahead to
list the Kelly sites at Stringybark Ck, Kellys Ck, on the Victorian Heritage register. *
Mile Creekis where the Kelly homestead stood near
Sharon Hollingsworth and Brian Stevenson present news, views, nuggets and
musings, some serious, some lighthearted but all to do with all things
associated with Ned Kelly and the gang.
open forum for like minded pro Kelly aficionados,
web links usually 'closed
members', one wonders what the purpose is for an open public forum
where only members can see the full story? To the casual reader NKF is
a private discussion group that joins the ranks of other
Kelly Forums too many to mention for the same reason. This site went
through a heavy rebuild claiming too many hits but nothing much
happens here, perhaps because the webmaster is too precious about
what members are allowed to discuss but their Facebook connection
gets more attention, for what its worth see
Admin blue hat DEE says
sure that most "Pro Kelly" people are
afraid of debate and challenge and critical review of Kelly history,
support the action of the small fringe of Kelly bullies and thought
Police who intrude on every discussion about Ned Kelly with the
intent of shutting it down censoring it and stifling debate.
Unfortunately however such a fringe
exist and no doubt
will attempt to derail
Forum as well.
Kelly Truth Forum
was started by
history enthusiast anonymous DEE who wanted to debate an
alternative view of the Kelly story. Almost overnight she attracted
large reader participation, but her interesting forum was deleted
after complaints to her forum host by the Pro Kelly group who it
seems cannot accommodate healthy debate pro or con.. All that
remains of Dee's truth forum are these copy pages of about the
Stringy-Bark Ck debate saved by Bill.
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This website does not glorify bushrangers,
criminals or denigrate officers of the law, it
simply presents the facts as reported at the time.
Also, it is not possible to present theories
without an element of 'conjecture', for accepted
history may one day be found to be not quite
right. It is therefore the duty of all historians
to ask questions, and hopefully 'sometimes' find
This work is purely a quest to find truth and
balance and share that knowledge. Mistakes
may be made along the way for you to pickup on, so
please feel free to add to the story by contacting
the author and webmaster Bill Denheld.
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