Ned Kelly ! - from Iron-outlaw to Iron-icon  

 


The story of Ned Kelly and the Kelly Gang is firmly placed in the history of Australia. 

To a very large number of Australians, Ned Kelly is regarded as a folk hero, and the exploits of the Kelly Gang are increasingly attracting world attention.
As more and more of the Kelly story unfolds, far from being seen as an outlaw, Ned Kelly will become an Australian icon.

This website is dedicated to report on stories and research to do with Kelly and the gang.
Views expressed within these pages are not necessarily agreed to by all, but we invite all theories, research and hypotheses to partake in the journey, 
 


 
                

 
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                     ~ Regarding Australia Day                 As there is much debate about what are Australian values,                        we should not forget the roots of Australia Day was established by the Australian Natives Association 1871               Also, it was E J Gorman, Ned Kelly's immediate neighbor and brother of school friend Patrick Gorman-   EJ   was a foundation member and chairman of the Australian Federation League at Berrigan branch NSW that with support from ANA would later spearhead the move for Federation.              ANA rose to support Native born Australians who felt de- valued and marginalised by the British autocracy in their own land. As a group,       ANA was to bring change towards a more egalitarian society that honoured Australian-ness. Like many native born Australians, Ned Kelly would have been a great advocate for ANA that gave us our unique identity that supported the underdog.            ANA gave us the Wattle blossum as our national bloom on our Coat of Arms and the Australia Day holiday on the 26 January to celebrate Australian values and a fair go.              . See NATIVENED web page below               ~   The accepted view of history is mostly written by the winners, and many sides of a story are not always told.             In pursuit of truth and balance, the following facts are in support of Ned Kelly and does not sit well with contradictory views. -               Regarding the 1878 police party that set out to apprehend the Kellys, -              did you know that in the course of their paid duties Sergeant Kennedy and Cnst Scanlan had shared a substantial reward for a previous man arrest.         did you know that the reward monies offered came from the pockets of well to do farmers who had formed a fund they called - 'The Stock Preservation Society Fund'.      did you know Edward Kelly and his brother Dan were only wanted for an alleged offence, yet a massive man hunt with rewards were mounted for their arrest.       did you know that the police were in civilian clothes disguised to look like gold prospectors but were more akin to bounty hunters of the old American West.      Were they lured by the rewards offered? or justice?            It wasn't the police that were bad, but the system was bad.            did you know Sgnt Kennedy knew where Stringybark Creek was at least 15 months before the shootout with the Kellys because he had been witness to a court hearing about a hut burning there , yet the 1881 Royal Commission into the Police force and the Kelly outbreak records he was shown where to camp at Stringybark Ck only 2 weeks before the shootout there?              did you know Sgnt Kennedy had been tipped off- knowing where the Kellys were hiding -   it was no accident they were camped at Stringybark Creek.       these stories and more can be read at 'Two Huts at Stringybark Creek' story7            did you know Sgnt Kennedy knew he was close to the Kelly camp, plus expecting an easy arrest and getting the rewards offered,  yet his two other police mates knew nothing of this? -            at the start, did you know Sgnt Kennedy needed two more men,         one with knowledge of the bush around there,     the other who could identify Kelly,     but neither were on patrol for that purpose on their first day searching the area,       because Sgnt Kennedy and Const Scanlan it appears had other plans.             did you know McIntyre and Lonigan were believed to have been set up as decoys to lure the Kellys out?     did you know Kennedy and Scanlan were not going to share the rewards with the other two officers if they were not present at the arrest?          did you know McIntyre was not harmed as Ned said he would not do so, -  but McIntyre changed his story 3 times in defence of the police actions out of loyalty,   yet the police themselves persecuted Const McIntyre.       these stories and more can be read at 'Two Huts at Stringybark Creek' story 7       did you know that because Ned Kelly was declared an outlaw by an act of Parliament, he legally could not be trialled for anything after that Parliament had been dissolved for an upcoming election, and the following trial for Ned Kelly was conducted illegally. Not one lawyer in defence of Ned realised this, and could have declared Edward Kelly a free man. source, Alex C Castles new book Ned Kelly's last days.         

Ned Kelly's last words not 'such is life'  A LEADING Queensland psychiatrist, Dr Scott has diagnosed legendary bushranger Ned Kelly as a violent and vindictive psychopath — and dismissed his famous last words ‘such is life’ as a myth.
 Dr Scott joined with Melbourne historian and author of ‘The Kelly Gang Unmasked’, Ian MacFarlane, to reach remarkable conclusions about the bushranger for an article in the journal Psychiatry, Psychology and Law
. Read book Abstract
 

                              Background image is a model replica of  Ned Kelly's iron helmet for sale -
 

Ned Kelly: Villain or Victim? Steve Hodder
It will be 134 years this week since notorious bushranger Ned Kelly was hanged in a Victorian prison for the murder of police constable Thomas Lonigan. At recent police remembrance services, Kelly has again been branded a psychopath but who, asks STEVE HODDER, were the real villains in the tale of Australian history’s most famous outlaw?   Note; thumbnail left shows Dan Kelly's helmet !




Australian Geographic article does not put Ned's DNA to rest ?
Glenrowan-based historian Gary Dean, who has been researching the Kelly history for more than 40 years, says while there's a strong possibility the remains belong to Kelly, he's not convinced the connection has been conclusively proven. DNA passed along the male line is needed in addition to mitochondrial DNA that was passed down from Kelly's sister, he says -


HTAV, the History Teachers Association of Victoria,  journal                   'Agora magazine, has published -  
The Politics of Ned ,
 Bill Denheld
What links did Ned Kelly and his associates have with the republican and Federation movements in nineteenth-century Victoria?   
 
 






Update 14 Dec 2012. The latest research where Sergeant Kennedy died. Germans or Stringybark Ck ?  Sergeant Kennedy was the officer in charge of the Mansfield police party to hunt for the Kelly brothers. Following the fatal shootout with the Kelly gang at StringyBark Ck  ( SBC)where two police were killed, the Sergeants body was not found till five days later some 800 meters away from the police camp. We have to decide which side of the creek ?This research reports on the quest to find the area using all recorded information. *




Kelly gang helmet armour   www.ironicon.com.au/helmets.htm This is a 1/3rd scale replica is of Ned's helmet.  Each of the Kelly gang's helmets have been replicated and are available as a collectable set. These models are very close to the originals in detail and each exhibit all the nuances of blacksmiths work. They are authentic in every detail and may never again be reproduced in sets of four. In this page we also analyze ' who may have made the amours' simply by the study of design features and plenty of conjecture. *


Main story -  Stringybark Creek -

 

Two Huts at Stringybark Creek.  The only 'on the ground' research website into the haunts of the Kelly Gang. Two bush hut fireplaces found at Stringybark Ck by Kelly researcher Bill Denheld, re-establishes the exact location where two police troopers were killed by the Kelly gang in Oct 1878. This site is on the west bank and contrary to the east bank site to where tourists are being led by miss informed authorities *






The Police Camp Site; There has been an exhaustive investigation to identify the site. The investigation team was led by Bill Denheld and Linton Briggs and at the offset, any outcome was to be agreed to by all before publishing. There is a strong background slope in the old 1878 photo of where trooper Lonigan was shot,- Identify that slope on the ground  and we can identify the proper site. But what do you have to do to convince each member to see. Join us to decipher and separate the bull from the dust. You be the judge ? *
  

                      Background image is a model replica of
 Ned Kelly's iron helmet for sale -

This is the place without doubt -

Bill's final document for identifying the authentic site of the Kelly /police shootout at SBC.
Over a period of 12 months a team of five have studied the sites, pondered over and over the evidence only to disagree. The majority of team members favored the area near the Kelly tree to which Bill could not agree. Bill was advised if he could not agree with the team's selection and paper CSI@SBC, then he should write his own. Despite Bill's endeavor to have the team see their error, Bill however, could not put his name to their document that failed on many fundamental points, one being the slope in the Burman photo. This link takes you to Bill's paper that leads you through the only site to pass the photo test. *



The subject of Stringybark Creek police camp, the shooting dead of the three Police by the Kelly Gang, the exact spot is no longer a mystery.

With logic and on ground 'primary source evidence' for all to see, three other contended sites have been proven negative. But the proponents of those sites don't seem able to accept historical truth when presented to them. Please continue to read their opposing documents, then also see their web-forum debates and  their ill conceived arguments. People I have shown the true site to, namely
Prof. Tim Flannery,  global warming activist, John Doyle, award winning Australian actor, writer, radio presenter and comedian,  author Ian MacFarlane, of important recently published book  'Ned Kelly Unmasked', author Peter Fitzsimons his latest book 'Ned Kelly', all these people and dozens more highly professional observers all agree with my evidence presented, that the site of two huts fireplaces at SBC being the correct site. All I ask is for the opponents to the two huts site is to present a compelling case to the contrary!  Forget all the hoopla, maybe etc, etc prove your case for another site. Bill       

 

CSI@SBC. Crime Scene Investigation at Stringy Bark Creek,  Initial team member, Bill Denheld received his digital draft copy of the team's document only to find his compelling Two Huts research totally ignored. Seeing their many glaring mistakes. I (Bill) returned my digital  copy with comments in blue text. I could hardly believe these  fellow researchers could be so blinkered. Gosh I thought, if history can be construed like this 'and in print' we certainly have to question accepted written history. For the sake of historical truth, lets hope future students will see through this travesty.




Then their public fight back while I was excluded.

   

On Sunday 5th August 2012 at the Beechworth Ned Kelly weekend. the authors of the CSI@SBC paper  proposed the TRUE site of the Kelly gang / police shootings is located at or near the Kelly tree along Stringy Bark Creek north of Mansfield Victoria. This link takes you to a copy of a slanted argument from which Bill had been excluded, except here he makes his comments in blue. Read what Alan Crichton wrote on Keep Ya Powder Dry 



                               See replica model of Ned Kelly's iron helmet

A somewhat
earlier forum debate about S-B-Creek-
 

KC2000 Forum.  Since 2008 there has been ongoing debate about the authentic site at Stringybark Creek and with more than 500 postings and more than 18.000 reads on this subject. Forum owner Admin has made these pages accessible only to 'members'. With organisations such as Heritage Vic, DSE, Police H.Unit and the public all denied access to what was a public open forum that relied upon external links, are now blocked unless you are a member, and makes this forum a travesty, but here then is the complete pages for everyone to read.


These above 'true copies of forum pages' started out in the public domain in 2008, but they are  locked away from public view despite the fact there remains constant attack on my research of the two huts scenario. At that time I wanted to protect the integrity of these debates and to that end, I copied and stored them at the very time when their administrators began to allow  deletions of certain postings that did not enhance their 'pseudonym' debaters  at crucial points along the debate, I saw this a form of censorship of postings that were intended to change the very meaning and outcome of the debate without any regard for history!  If this is how history is recorded, then I am very disappointed with accepted written history. Please take your time to read through all these web links and you will be able to make up your own mind. Bill

Other research into Ned -


nativened.  Where was Ned Kelly born? Dctr Maikel Annalee narrows it down to Wallan East some 3 Km North East of Beveridge town, (the previously accepted area). Like an archeological dig, we find new information that follows a thread connecting Ned to the Federation of Australia.  
A recent Herald Sun article by journalist Mike Edmonds follows the thread.
 



       
The death mask and faces of Ned Kelly
.  The original death mask was part of a special display at Maxmillion Kreitmeyer's Waxworks in Bourke Street Melbourne 1880 the morning after Ned's execution. Kreitmeyer was reputed to have made the first impression from Ned's face,  however, new information suggests the death mask may have been made by an accompanying Sydney Waxworks owner Desiderio Cristofani working with Maxmillion Kreitmeyer.  *

 
                             
See replica model of Joe Byrne's iron helmet





 

 

“Valid links with the Past” Kelly Sites Toombullup beginning 1885...
Historians, Sheila Hutchinson and Fay Johnson bring you back to where the Kelly occupation had left its mark. Using their fascinating research, the exact location of the Kelly target tree and the Kelly hut site can be plotted on the ground. As expected the Kelly related sites were marked on the earliest maps of the district. They advance material to suggest the shoot out site was north of the picnic ground at SBC.

 


The Kelly hut on Bullock Creek may not have been the only hut.
UPDATE, This looks at the possibility there were two huts occupied by the Kelly's at Bullock Ck. One was described by Constable James who found the Kelly camp one month after the killings at Stringybark Ck,  the other is a photo of a hut, but the description doesn't match the photo?  Here is a possible answer to the vexing question, were there TWO huts at Bullock Ck ? Another recent discovered is a 1930's photo of the Kelly Ck sawmill that was built directly over one of the Kelly camp hut sites. The picture shows a tree that could be one of the Kelly target trees.*


The Bullets of Kellys Creek www.denheldid.com/twohuts/bullets.html
During 1985 Bill Denheld is metal detecting at Kelly's Ck, where the Kellys lived for up to six months leading up to the shoot out with the police at Stringybark Ck. It stood to reason that some bullets fired by the Kelly's at target trees had missed the target. Included are the only known photos of the actual trees fired at by the Kellys' during their target practice at Bullock Creek 1878 ( later renamed Kelly's Ck, The photos of target trees were discovered during Aug 2003 some 125 years later. The target trees date from well before the shootings at Stringybark Ck. *
 

 



 


The Deposition papers of Thomas McIntyre. He was the sole survivor of the shootout with the Kelly gang at Stringybark Ck. On the margin of his court papers for the prosecution of Ned Kelly, someone has drawn a little hut. We like to believe this hut drawing represents the Shingle hut near where the police had camped.
Sharon Hollingsworth brings to light who may have drawn this hut doodle.


                         These two web pages are inter related 

Police journey to Stringybark Ck Oct 1878 - did the police party get lost?
McIntyre's evidence, suggests the police party of four entered Stringybark from the North, - yet they traveled from the South.  Ned Kelly testifies he saw police horse tracks way to the North East of Stringybark Ck which he attributed to a second South bound police party. Hut image from McIntyre's deposition court papers. *



The hut behind the school. When the Kelly Gang were on the run during 1879-80 they were protected by many sympathisers and local farmers in N. East Victoria. This is another HUT discovery story still evolving. ' The hut behind the school ' was known about by locals long ago, but where it stood has only now been discovered by a group of Kelly researchers led by Alan Gibb, Arthur Hall and Marcus Swinburne. Each a descendant of land owners who were there at the time, they came together to solve a 100 year old mystery. With some old local knowledge and modern technology this little know piece of Kelly history is now for all to read. However, does anyone know of this hut pictured? This hut is not the hut behind the school- but was a Kelly gang occupied hut. But where was this? *


 





 
                                   See replica model of Ned Kelly's iron helmet
 

Ned Kelly Centre at Glenrowan.
An Open Letter to the People of Glenrowan
August 2005, 300 residents were sent the open letter questionnaire for their thoughts.
The Open Letter found that the majority of townsfolk wanted a Ned Kelly Centre in Glenrowan, they felt that the town would benefit from the Centre, they felt they had been consulted enough about the generalities of the proposal and that the authorities should now actively pursue the final design and construction of the Ned Kelly Centre. *


                                                            

 New Kelly find leaves theory of shootings up the creek
Melbourne newspaper ' The Age' on 10 Feb 2003 by Geoff Strong.
A gunpowder flask recovered from the ' Shingle' hut site (dating from the time of the Kellys) proves where the Kelly gang shootout occurred. The Age article headline, true to its word was not appreciated by eminent Kelly historian Mr. Ian Jones, who had declaring the huts finding as 'codswollup' on Melbourne ABC morning radio 774 AM. Mr.Jones's denigrating remark was unfortunate, since the huts finding proves the location of the shootout . Picture
SANDY SCHELTEMA

 

Local fossicker unlocks Kelly armour mystery?  The Age 30 Sept 2006
A
n army of historians and folklore aficionados have been unable to establish in the 131 years since the armour made its mark on Australian judicial legend, where was it made? Beechworth local Darren Sutton believes he has found the forge where Byrne's armour suit was created. Darren found a piece of iron offcut that he claims matches part of Joe Byrnes armour.  - reports Age writer- Steve Waldon . Unfortunately however, scientific analysis of the Darren's iron piece has proven a metallurgical negative match to the real Joe Byrne armour which leaves Darren with a tricky problem to overcome.
 

                               See replica model of Joe Byrne's iron helmet

                         
Archaeology of the Glenrowan Inn site,   Anne Jones's hotel The siege site of The Glenrowan Inn as photographed the morning of 28 June 1880. Today the hotel site plays a very important historical roll in the retelling of the siege at Glenrowan. Luckily, the land where the hotel once stood has not been redeveloped  largely due to the conservator owners the Briggs family of Glenrowan. *


 

Ned Kelly's World
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ww.nedkellysworld.com.au
Gary Dean's website is one of the original sites. Much of his research has a basis upon generations of intimate and local knowledge concerning the real story. The genealogy of Gang member descendants can be traced to the present day plus loads of other information not found elsewhere. The archive section was previously a pay site, but now free to all. This site is a key stone site to the whole Kelly story. A passionate researcher of Kelly, Gary is the guru, and is distantly related to the Kelly clan as well as to the very lady who sewed up the Eureka flag Anastasia Withers.  


 


 


Australian Ironoutlaw  Webmaster Brad Webb has created what is the most impressive directory of all things Kelly.  Amongst his regular writers Alan Crichton 'Keep Ya Powder Dry' reports on Kelly events and are a laugh and a half . Also check out Readers Feedback which spans from 1999.



 

feedback to Iron-Icon. and Two Huts stories 
If you have an opinion or can add to the story, have your say. 
Ned Kelly and Stringy Bark
Creek
are an important starting point to the Kelly story, share your thoughts or critique, agree or disagree and claim a genuine fragment of the Kelly target tree. This tiny wood keepsake relic of Australian folklore history is limited.. *
Stylized helmet images by Mick Guthrie 


                               See replica model of  Steve Hart's iron helmet for sale 


Stringybark Creek Newsupdates, The works at Stringybark Creek have to be stopped , Historian Ian Jones is wrong on Stringybark Police camp site in his new Kelly book. The three creeks at Stringybark are to be Heritage listed. 13th May 2008, Jeremy Smith of Heritage Victoria gives the go ahead to list the Kelly sites at Stringybark Ck, Kellys Ck, and Germans Creek sites on the Victorian Heritage register. *



Links to other Kelly related sites 

Glenrowan Gazette ~ The Kelly trail  ~  The Ned Kelly Touring Route ~ Glenrowan1880 ~ Kelly Gang Educational Services ~ Burnt to a Cinder was I ~ Ned Kelly- Australian Bushranger ~ Ned Kelly Bushranger ~ Ned Online ~ The Jerilderie letter at 'Treasures of the State Library of Victoria' ~  Music sites  ~    Australian history    ~  Forums 

FORUMS - Blogs
 
 

Eleven Mile Creek is where the Kelly homestead stood near Greta West.
Sharon Hollingsworth and Brian Stevenson present news, views, nuggets and musings, some serious, some lighthearted but all to do with all things associated with Ned Kelly and the gang.


Ned Kelly forum   Open public Forum for the like minded pro Kelly aficionados  attracting a sizable membership, but unfortunately became dominated by narrow minded believers unable to accommodate healthy debate and very much the poorer for it.


Forums past both now closed to the public. KC2000 For-um and Stringybark Creek For-um"  


Admin blue hat DEE says - I am sure that most "Pro Kelly" people are NOT afraid of debate and challenge and critical review of Kelly history, and would NOT support the action of the small fringe of Kelly bullies and thought Police who intrude on every discussion about Ned Kelly with the intent of shutting it down censoring it and stifling debate.  Unfortunately however such a fringe DOES exist and no doubt will attempt to derail THIS Forum as well.     Sorry now all gone 2nd time ???

Sure enough Dee's Pro forum 2nd replacement has been deleted but here is Dee's alternative Blog
 


Ned Kelly Truth Forum was started by history enthusiast anonymous DEE who  wanted to debate an alternative view of the Kelly story. Almost overnight she attracted large reader participation, but her interesting forum was deleted after complaints to her forum host by the Pro Kelly group who it seems cannot accommodate healthy debate pro or con.. All that remains of Dee's truth forum are these copy pages of about the Stringy-Bark Ck debate saved by Bill. Page 22 of 25


Kelly gang armour 1/3rd scale models make great gifts, and help to keep this webpage online. Priced around $150 incl postage anywhere in Australia.


                                         
See replica model of Steve Hart's iron helmet

 

STATEMENT:  This website does not glorify bushrangers, criminals or denigrate officers of the law, it simply presents the facts as reported at the time. Also, it is not possible to present theories without an element of 'conjecture', for accepted history may one day be found to be not quite right. It is therefore the duty of all historians to ask questions, and hopefully 'sometimes' find answers. 
This work is purely a quest to find truth and balance and share that knowledge.  Mistakes may be made along the way for you to pickup on, so please feel free to add to the story by contacting the author and webmaster Bill Denheld.
 
 

No text or images from these story pages may be reproduced without written permission from         copyright holder and author W Denheld.  *  

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