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robert mcgarrigle
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Sharon Hollingsworth
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Joe.D
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robert mcgarrigle
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Australia
73 Posts
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Posted - 29/09/2009 : 2:29:41 PM 
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Many thanks for the link
Joe, I am sure Bill will be happy to read this article. The
surveyors map of 1884 clearly shows the shootout site was on the
west bank, I would find it hard to believe that a surveyor would
get it wrong although possible I guess. McIntyre clearly said
that the creek was 70 yards or metres? to the east of where the
police tent was hitched. If both these descriptions are correct
the current site is definitely the wrong site and maybe awhile
before the correct site is confirmed if ever. |
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Joe.D
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Posted - 29/09/2009 : 5:10:52 PM
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Hi Rob,
Yeap no probs........ I have no doubt with the likes of Linton
Briggs, Bill Denheld and Kel Gill will definitely bring us
without doubt a close approximation of the true site of the
police camp. I imagine we have a long wait whilst the research
is being conducted.....perhaps Bill or Kel could fill us in with
the latest???
Joe.D |
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bill denheld
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Australia
85 Posts
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 Posted - 11/10/2009 :
09:50:57 AM
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Thank you Joe, Robert,
Sharon and all.
As you are aware there is a concerted effort to prove the
location of the Police/Kelly shoot out site.
Kelvyn's detective like research had identified a second
McIntyre sketch that the Police Historical Unit was supposed to
have. His persistent request to find the sketch led to archivist
curator Liz Marsden finding of a sketch similar to the one we
are all familiar with which shows two logs, a fire, where
Lonigan was shot and fell, from where the Kellys came and a
compass bearing. However this new found sketch does show the
relative position of the police tent. Well done Kelvyn.
Forum members, You can help.
From all the evidence we know the Kellys advanced into the
police camp from the South.
We know Ned Kelly used a Burman produced Post Card of the scene
at his Beechworth Preliminary trial.
The reason Ned used the post card was because he could show to
the magistrate they did not ambush the camp, rather they ( four
men ) approached the camp in a line from one direction,
supposedly from between two trees within that photo.
Can anyone direct us to a transcript of the Beechworth prelim
trial, and wherein Ned uses the Burman photo to show from where
they came.
Your help will be greatly appreciated.
With the weather slowly improving further site meetings are
planned.
http://www.ironicon.com.au/stringybarkckinvestigation.htm
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kellycountry2000
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Australia
512 Posts
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 11:30:40 AM
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Extent of Registration
1. All of the land marked L1 on Diagram2205 held by the
Executive Director being an area of approximately 28 hectares
bounded on the west by Stringybark Creek Road and to the north
by the Tatong-Tolmie Road and to the east by a bush track which
runs more or less parallel to Stringybark Creek and to the south
by the 800m contour line and being part of Crown Allotment 38A
Parish of Toombullup.
Statement of Significance
What is significant?
Stringybark Creek was the location where three police officers
were shot and killed by Ned Kelly on 26 October 1878. Following
the deaths of the Mansfield police officers Lonigan, Scanlan and
Kennedy, the Kelly Gang became the most wanted outlaws in
Australia in the late 19th century. The shootings at Stringybark
Creek precipitated the events of the Kelly Outbreak, which
reached a climax at Glenrowan in June 1880.
The Stringybark Creek site consists of swampy ground, ferns and
speargrass along Stringybark Creek, rising to a timbered
woodland of gum and blackwood. The area has a rich timber
harvesting and mining history, and remnant gold workings and
open shafts are visible across the site. The archaeological
ruins of two miner's huts are located on the west bank of the
creek, between the creek and Stringybark Creek Road.
The site includes the "Kelly tree" in which the names of the
three police officers were carved in the early 1930s. An iron
helmet has been set into the scar of the tree, which has now
been obscured by the tree's regrowth. A stone memorial with a
plaque dedicated to Sergeant Michael Kennedy, Constable Michael
Scanlan and Constable Thomas Lonigan was unveiled on the site on
26 October 2001.
A number of historical documents exist which provide evidence
for the location of the Stringybark Creek site. The site
location is shown on an 1884 surveyor's plan, marked "Scene of
the Police murders by the Kelly Gang". The plan also shows a hut
on the opposite (west) bank of the creek, which may correlate
with the archaeological hut remains that survive. The site is
depicted in a photograph taken by the police a few weeks after
the shootings.
How is it significant?
The Stringybark Creek site is of historical and archaeological
significance to the State of Victoria.
Why is it significant?
The Stringybark Creek site is historically significant as the
place where an encounter between the Kelly Gang and the police
took place which resulted in the death of three police officers,
and the gang being declared outlaws. It was for the murder of
Constable Thomas Lonigan at Stringybark Creek that Ned Kelly was
found guilty and hanged in November 1880. Following the events
at Stringybark Creek a reward of 100 pounds was posted for the
capture of Ned Kelly. The reward for the capture of the gang
members rose to 8000 pounds by the time of the Glenrowan siege.
Stringybark Creek is archaeologically significant for its
potential to contain archaeological artefacts and deposits that
relate to the police shootings.
ASSESSMENT AGAINST CRITERIA
a. Importance to the course, or pattern, of Victoria's cultural
history
The Stringybark Creek site is important to Victoria's cultural
history as the place where the events of the exchange between
the Kelly Gang and the police escalated, leading to the issuing
of large rewards for the capture of the bushrangers, an
extensive police hunt which culminated in the dramatic siege
event at Glenrowan, and the hanging of Ned Kelly in 1880 at the
Old Melbourne Gaol.
b. Possession of uncommon, rare or endangered aspects of
Victoria's cultural history.
N/A
c. Potential to yield information that will contribute to an
understanding of Victoria's cultural history.
The Stringybark Creek site has the potential to contain
historical archaeological deposits and objects, including
ballistics, that relate to the events of the shoot-out.
d. Importance in demonstrating the principal characteristics of
a class of cultural places or environments.
N/A
e. Importance in exhibiting particular aesthetic
characteristics.
N/A
f. Importance in demonstrating a high degree of creative or
technical achievement at a particular period.
N/A
g. Strong or special association with a particular community or
cultural group for social, cultural or spiritual reasons. This
includes the significance of a place to Indigenous peoples as
part of their continuing and developing cultural traditions.
N/A
h. Special association with the life or works of a person, or
group of persons, of importance in Victoria's history.
The Stringybark Creek site is strongly associated with the
members of the Kelly Gang (Ned Kelly, Dan Kelly, Joe Byrne and
Steve Hart), and with the four police officers (Thomas Lonigan,
Michael Scanlan, Michael Kennedy and Thomas McIntyre) who fought
the bushrangers at the site. |
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bill denheld
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