This is a true copy of a forum debate about SBC where the Police were shot by the Kelly gang in 1878. These following 25 pages were lost when one of the participants complained to forum host ProBoards.com. Despite numerous efforts to have the whole forum re-instated by me, this topic was one of several threads on DEE's 'Ned Kelly Truth forum' that questioned the many mythologized elements of the Kelly story, and is the reason for much personal attack on those that may have alternative views of how Kelly history is recorded. Bill Denheld May 2014


Man stands at fireplace of one of two huts, the police tent stood behind where this photo was taken.The Kelly gang came from left of little hill above.


The Great Debate about Stringy-Bark Creek  
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Post by Guest on Mar 27, 2014 at 10:17pm

Aw, shucks I forgot to stick some hay in my hair! and what does that five dollar word 'denigrate' mean Brendon? Jeez!

FIND A SMALL CARD.

WRITE 'PROVIDE VALID INFO ABOUT CSI SITE' AND STICK IT ON YOUR PC.

THIS WILL REMIND YOU TO TO STICK TO THE POINT.

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 27, 2014 at 11:47pm

Bill, I think you were excessively modest about what you bring to the SBC search in the post where you said:

"Yes Kelyvn, the CSI team and myself are amateurs when it comes to being a historian or archaeologist and I don't think you have any certificate to say you are any of those or any thing else".

Bill, you have put in the hard yards for much more than a decade at SBC, which the old fogeys* from CSI can never match.

Your background in bush prospecting depended on acute observations and accurate evaluation of what the land was telling you.

The CSI people were deskbound or tending shop, or dithering around in retirement, when you were struggling for a living deep in the bush.


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Post by Dee on Mar 28, 2014 at 4:49am

Bill will correct me if I am wrong Brendon but I understand Bills position to be that the Spring is the origin of the Creek. He has described his attempts to follow the creek back and find it being frustrated by the undergrowth, he has described how even further back there is NO creek, and he has shown how the geology of the area is such that the spring is created. All throughout his vast and detailed website he continually refers to the Creek, so he does NOT think the Creek itself is "The Spring" or that there is no creek or that it should be renamed Stringybark "Spring".

There is simply no need to suppose there has to be a separate "Spring" as all the references to the spring and the creek and the directions people came and went are easily reconciled with Bills interpretation.

I am in total agreement with Horrie on this : CSI need to provide THEIR arguments for THEIR site. NO attack by them on Bills Two Huts site adds a single ounce of weight to the argument for THEIR site, about which we know very little. Attacks on Bills Two Huts site in the form of arguments about the Spring seem so flimsy to me that I wonder if its out of desperation that the CSI group are making them?


The Spring vs Creek debate is over. The only place for it to go from here is to the CSI site. Kelvyn? Glenn? Brendon? Time to put up.
And please everyone, settle down and avoid the personal abuse or I shall have to start deleting posts again.

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Post by Guest on Mar 28, 2014 at 10:38am

 Attacks on Bills Two Huts site in the form of arguments about the Spring seem so flimsy to me that I wonder if its out of desperation that the CSI group are making them?

Lets clarify this, it is clear that the vast majority of people do not agree with Billís interpretation of a spring. As has been demonstrated here on this forum and on the Stringybark Creek Forum. By people outside of the CSI team.
Not just by Kelvyn and myself. (the CSI group)

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It would appear that the only people in favour of Billís interpretation of a spring are Horrie and yourself.

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 28, 2014 at 11:00am

I repeat: no self respecting bushman would call a creek a spring , or vice versa, now.... or then. I can't believe Ned Kelly was that dumb. I can however believe it of some of the people on this forum. And again I repeat myself. What about a picture or two of the CSI team's spring with water to prove it? I'm getting dizzy with all this never ending nonsense.

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 28, 2014 at 11:33am

You are spot on Alex about Ned knowing the difference between a creek and a spring and it's a shame a few others don't. Personally, I don't need a photo the spring as I have seen it and it is exactly where the CSI Team say it is in their booklet.


 

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 28, 2014 at 12:46pm

Glenn you say: "Dee, It would appear that the only people in favour of Billís interpretation of a spring are Horrie and yourself".

Surely, you are forgetting Pooflower's list of prominent recent visitors to Bill's site who concur with him - Prof. Tim Flannery, John Doyle, Ian MacFarlane & Peter Fitzsimons.

As usual, we are off topic again. Everyone is dying to know exactly where the CSI site is.

Why so shy?

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 28, 2014 at 1:15pm

Horrie,

Prof. Tim Flannery, John Doyle, Ian MacFarlane & Peter Fitzsimons. (We can discuss them later)   Have made no contributions on this or the SBC forum.

We are not off the topic again -

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 28, 2014 at 2:04pm

Mar 28, 2014 at 11:33am Brendon said:

You are spot on Alex about Ned knowing the difference between a creek and a spring and it's a shame a few others don't. Personally, I don't need a photo the spring as I have seen it and it is exactly where the CSI Team say it is in their booklet. Thanks Brendon,

I agree.....
And I don't need a photo either.  Like you; I've been.. I've seen.... and I've got the photos to prove it.
Bill's mob is just a bunch of pedantic wankers

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 28, 2014 at 7:48pm

******WARNING*****WARNING******
This site MAY have a Trojan lurking somewhere. Antivirus software has in the last 15 minutes (17:45 hours ESDST) has alerted me to a potential problem.

The site administrator needs to run a current (with the latest definitions) anti-virus/malware product to ensure the site is "clean" and advise the users accordingly.

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 28, 2014 at 8:51pm

Thanks for the warning Kelvyn. Itís no surprise really, as some of the comments being posted here indicate some less than stable minds.

Glenn, donít take any notice of all those names that Forrflower posted, it was a joke. Horrie, is it true your father called you Sonny because you are so bright? Not! Horrie, why do you keep going off topic all the time, as itís very irritating?

Alex, Iím glad to hear that you have seen the spring and you fully understand what and where it is. I had no trouble finding it from what was in the CSI book

 

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Post by Dee on Mar 28, 2014 at 10:59pm

So what the CSI people are claiming is that even though the water in the SBC comes from a spring, Ned couldn't possibly have been referring to the source of the SBC, the spring at the head of the creek when he told Dan to go back to the spring? My point is that it IS possible, in fact, if Ned Kelly was as knowledgeable about the bush as is being claimed, he may WELL have known exactly that about the SBC, that its source was in fact a spring, and that was where he wanted Dan to go. This is a possible scenario that accounts for all the known geography and historical and current descriptions.


 

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 1:19am

We are no nearer to the CSI site than when this thread started. The CSI chumps are just time-wasting to chew up Bill's life.

Ignore Kelvyn and Brendon's fake Trojan 'Warning' messages, Dee. The boards.net server handles incoming posts for viruses, etc.

Poor old Alex and Brendon don't realise their presence here is recorded by boards.net cookies each time they appear. So did FJ.

You will need to do far more site house-keeping on this thread with your delete button, Dee. The CSI people just aren't fair dinkum.

And they are turning nasty.

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 11:34am

Dee,
Immediately above the two fireplace site, there is no spring. Ref post page 1. Feb 18, 2014 at 8:50pm
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The Spring vs Creek debate is over.

As I said quote:

Lets clarify this, it is clear that the vast majority of people do not agree with Billís interpretation of a spring. As has been demonstrated here on this forum and on the Stringybark Creek Forum. By people outside of the CSI team.
Not just by Kelvyn and myself. (the CSI group)

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 11:47am

Dee I was going to post a map so you and Horrie could see the locations of all the places mentioned, but the forum doesnít appear to allow uploading from your PC, only from a URL.

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 12:02pm

The whole bodgy 'spring' thing is a manufactured distraction by the CSI people.

What 'vast majority' disagree with Bill on the spring, or anything else? The vast majority are dumfounded by the incessant arguments over minor issues.

I used to have slight regard for CSI, but that has evaporated because of this thread. Gary and Linton wisely have stayed out of this.

We are STILL not one millimetre closer to the CSI police camp site which Kelvyn and Glenn steadfastly refuse to identify.

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 12:47pm

Brendon, I'd like to see your map. Thanks for offering. Try this site to upload it, it should provide a url:

tinypic.com/

 

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Post by bill on Mar 29, 2014 at 2:09pm

The views are water catchment areas known as Table Lands.
All the creeks that run off the 'Table Lands' in all directions are being feed by spring water from the 'Tertiary Miocene' gravels that cover the vast plateau of red sandstone laying on a impervious Granite bottom outlined roughly by the yellow boundary lines.

The creeks 'white lines' from left to right are Equinox, StringyBark, Germans, and Kelly's Creeks each running northerly into Ryans Creek. All are fed by water filtering through the vast plateau.

The pure water resource was the reason all the farmers in the area were kicked off their land by 1950 to preserve the excellent water supply for Benalla township.


www.ironicon.com.au/images/aero-view-stringybark-ck.jpg

www.ironicon.com.au/images/aero-view-stringybark-ck.jpg


www.ironicon.com.au/images/aero-view-kellys-ck.jpg
http://www.ironicon.com.au/images/aero-view-kellys-ck.jpg

Wonder if the CSI team will now get the big picture?

Brendan, yes I would like to see your map too.
Are you sure your picture is not in the CSI@SBC report as here - www.ironicon.com.au/csi@sbc_bills_comments.pdf see appendix 11 on second last page?

If you look hard you will see a tiny point marked 'Spring discharge' on the map.
Can anyone see the elephant in the room ?? StringyBark Creek as the spring!


I will try and help. There are two ways you can put up a picture,
1, Insert Image button - you need the picture hosted with a URL - www.
2, Become a logged on members and use an 'Add attachment button' not visible to non members.
You can email me the image and I will host it for you and email you the URL so you can put it up.
Email to me feedback at ironicon dot com dot au

Last Edit: Mar 29, 2014 at 2:11pm by bill

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Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 3:13pm

Thanks for the link Horrie. Now that is something I never thought I would say.



 

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 3:31pm

This borrowed map I believe to be spot on from what I know of the area. I know Bill won't like it, but it clearly shows the distances between sites and where the CSI 'spring' is. You can clearly see where the CSI believe the police camp was and where 'Dan went back to the spring'. Now to wait

 

 


Read more: http://nedkellytruthforum.boards.net/thread/18/great-debate-stringybark-creek?page=18#ixzz2xaFP7SGS


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