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jox
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Posted - 16/06/2009 :  12:15:18 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi I am new to the forum and am wondering if there is anyone who has family tree research done on Ellen Quinn's side of the Kelly clan. My Dad told me (a fellow he met in Delegate NSW said) our Family is related to the Kelly's through my great great grandmother Susannah Collins (nee Quinn.)?
Sorry i was unsure if you could even direct me to someone...or a web address.
I have dug back as far as I can go.... Thanks
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Posted - 16/06/2009 :  12:44:16 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Welcome aboard Jox

Ellen Hollow would be your best contact, Ellen visits the forum from time to time.....perhaps send her an email.

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kellycountry2000
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Posted - 16/06/2009 :  10:05:24 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
You could also try the local library and have a look in Justin Corfield's "The Ned Kelly encyclopaedia" book on Ned it has a fairly well researched family tree

here is a review of it

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/17/1079199287095.html
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Posted - 16/06/2009 :  11:32:28 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Sorry JOX, there is no Susannah Quinn on the Family tree nor a Susannah Collins.
Ellen
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Posted - 16/06/2009 :  1:27:04 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit carla's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  Delete Reply
Hello Jox, Carla here. I contacted Gary Dean at Ned Kellys World, - see www.nedkellysworld.com.au

Gary said if you can find out more about the connection he may be able to check it against his more upto date data file of the Quinn family tree. We have an early version and as Ellen indicates the records do not have a Collins listed.
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Posted - 16/06/2009 :  8:48:41 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Dave White's Homepage  Reply with Quote
G'day and welcome JOX,
good to see that Ellen Hollow has provided your answer.
So many times I have had someone say they are related to Ned and it is good to have Ellen to prove this one way or another. Dave.
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jox
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Posted - 16/06/2009 :  11:20:58 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

Thank you very much for the quick replies. I have two very excited boys who have done school projects on Ned Kelly. I didn't let them use Grandpas info or put in any "possible" link until I could prove it!!!! I bet they will have to take back a few bragging rights!!!!!
Thank you all for your help
Cheers
Jox
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Posted - 17/06/2009 :  12:28:49 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Dave White's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Don't anyone take this the wrong way, but have you noticed that no one wants to be a descendant of Dan, Joe or Steve in the same way they do of Ned? How about the police? Then extending this further, it is Ned's armour (or helmet) that sells, not the others. Sometimes I wonder if Ned was the only one around in the 1800's. Dave.
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Posted - 17/06/2009 :  2:42:05 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit nearly ned's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Good point Dave. At the Beechworth Historic Court-House we very rarely have someone come in claiming a connection to Joe or Steve. We do have a fair few people who claim a connection to the Police, Magistrates, Barristers, Solicitor and even clerks of the Court.
Personally I think that Joe's helmet has the best design. Steve's vision would have been better with the larger slot, but it gave more of a target for the policeto aim at!
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Posted - 17/06/2009 :  6:47:21 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Dave and Nearly,
To the contrary, I know my relatives (Lola and Noeleen) can speak for themselves but we are constantly bombarded by emails of people claiming to be related to Steve Hart, Not only via my Educational Business, but forwarded onto us via other websites such as ironoutlaw.com

................... constantly sends me emails about "another long lost relo" including all those emails from all the nutbags out there, which there are plenty of I might say.

It's quite amusing but sometimes quite sad, when uncle oozywhat or gramps toomanysherries has passed a family fib down the line.
and we bust the bubble, you would be surprised how WRONG..Lola, Noeleen and Myself can be!

A recent one is a family in the US (Hart Surname) who's 8 year old son had a striking resemblance to "Steve" they sent me a photo and all to prove it.

It is astonishing how many try to claim some glimmer of tenure to the story.

It takes quite a few emails and unfortunately phone calls to puncture the family "secret", but apparently I have cousins scattered all around the globe such as South Africa, new Zealand, the NT, and numerous parts of Queensland! and poor uncle Steve is buried in 12 different places.


Paul O'Keefe
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P.S Nearly, drop the Irish accent!

Edited by - PaulOK on 17/06/2009 7:29:52 PM

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Dave White
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Posted - 18/06/2009 :  11:24:32 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Dave White's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks Nearly Ned and our 'new member' PaulOK :)
This is what is good about a forum, as I had no idea that people were stating a relationship to the ones Nearly Ned mentioned. Naturally I know about the 'Hart' people you speak of Paul as I have sent a few to you over the years as well, however overall people seem to want to be related to Ned. With the female side of the coin it appears they ask more about a relationship to Kate rather than say Maggie. Just an observation. My point is really how Ned is seen as against the others, Paul, you use 'Kelly Gang Educational' not say 'Steve Hart Educational' and with good reason I might add. Most would not know who Steve or Dan or Joe was, I think Joe is known these days because of actor Orlando Bloom. Had he played Dan or Steve the situation might be different. Dave.
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Posted - 18/06/2009 :  1:12:47 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit bill denheld's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello all,

18th June 2009
As a notification in response to the pulling of a posting by the administrator of the KC2000 forum
in this space, see -

http://www.denheldid.com/twohuts/feedback.html

Edited by - bill denheld on 18/06/2009 11:49:10 PM

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Posted - 18/06/2009 :  2:12:21 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Nevermind!

Edited by - captjack on 18/06/2009 4:30:24 PM

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Posted - 18/06/2009 :  2:16:35 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Nevermind again! :)

Edited by - captjack on 18/06/2009 4:31:47 PM

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Dave White
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Posted - 18/06/2009 :  4:44:22 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Dave White's Homepage  Reply with Quote
As an addition to my last post re Kelly gang, I wonder if we had say Ned Kelly, Joe Byrne, Steve Hart & Tom Lloyd (no Dan) would they still have been known as 'The Kelly Gang' because of Ned? Dave.
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Posted - 18/06/2009 :  6:08:14 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Billy,Billy Billy,

What happened to your post you put up a few hours ago?
Mate, If your going to put up a post "like that" have the balls for people to read and reply to it.

I am surprised you posted what was a private email correspondence from ................... on this forum and then whinge to the forum what he called you? especially after you publicly bagged his website and the man himself on your website.

I don't blame him one bit, you got what you deserved I'm afraid.
But then you have the audacity to cry foul to the forum about "intimidation".

You don't have a great track record to say the least and have done similar to other people.

I remember vividly at the drinks after the 2006 "Great Debate" in Beechworth when an eminent Kelly Scholar called you the same "C" word ................... just did, and The Scholar had you by the throat and only that few people stepped in to stop it as he was going to punch the bejesus out of you while you sipped on your Merlot.


Paul O'Keefe
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Edited by - PaulOK on 18/06/2009 7:30:15 PM

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Fitzy
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Posted - 18/06/2009 :  8:50:02 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Geez, what did I miss?

Fitzy
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alanros
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Posted - 18/06/2009 :  9:48:57 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Fitzy, not much you old sherry snorter. Seems someone's got their knickers in a twist and spat the dummy. I must admit, i do drop in to the forum now and again and have been tempted to join in on some of the topics, but as you know, i am a shy young fellow and in awe of the forum member's almost limitless knowledge on all things Kelly. But who is this Mr Denhelp bloke, and why is he being so nasty to Mr Webb? I've never met this fellow but he sounds a very nasty chap to me. I've seen Mr Webb's Kelly site and i think it's a fantastic resource. This other fellow seems to talk about nothing but huts and fireplaces. And who was this well known bloke who grabbed him by the throat? Crikey! i hope it wasn't Mr Jones. So all i can say is whatever that O'Keefe bloke said, i say... DITTO!
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Posted - 19/06/2009 :  12:20:32 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit bill denheld's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes seems someone has their knickers in a twist and its not me.

In response to the pulling of a posting by the administrator on this thread, I refer to an offending email received by me see http://www.denheldid.com/twohuts/feedback.html I post it here as the administrator does not wish for you to see this material on this forum. The reason I want to share this with you was because it contained intimidating content, and no one needs this.


This offending email was responded to by fellow member CaptJack who kindly twice posted his words but were also pulled from this thread.

CaptJack and all, please protest this here your democratic right to have your say. We are not the offenders, but are over ruled by them. We have done no wrong. Have your say and drive this thuggery from the Webb.

The reason for this posting is to draw your attention to last year when ................... Webb of ironoutlaw.com.au denigrates me and others regarding some newspaper stories about Ned Kelly's DNA sampling, see
http://www.ironoutlaw.com/html/soap_box.html
................... Webb wrote -
 
 

quote:


What is in the water up at Ipswich? And why is this Tully bloke still a city councillor?  Why hasn't he retired after all the millions he made starring in the movie Kenny? After all, Tully looks more like that turd-flushing hero than the actor Shane Jacobson does! Yes, Paul Tully (or Kenny Smyth), is that self-same moron who claims to have Dan Kelly buried in the local cemetery after his amazing escape from the Glenrowan siege. Now Tully claims some plot in the Toowong Cemetery holds the remains of Jack The Ripper. He's so keen to convince the world this is Mr Ripper (God, it must have been a slow news day when the papers picked this gem up) that he hasn't even had time to convince himself. Especially if you go by this quote from the above report, ' I don't think this is... Jack the Ripper. But it can't be ruled out'. Really? Next thing you know he'll be teeming up with dear old Bill Denheld* and going on a two man crusade to remove all those 'pesky facts' from our history pages. Actually, I can picture their road show, much like Puppetry of the penis http://www.puppetryofthepenis.com/ only these guys won't have to drop their strides for you to see their private parts. Because Tully and Denheld are two 'knobs' that you can spot a mile off!
 
*In a recent article titled, Kelly boots 'burial clue' http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24228860-2862,00.html
Bill Denheld claims that Ned Kelly was adopted, because, now-wait-for-it, some half demented distant relative of the Kelly clan told him so. Must be true then!



 
With this sort of denigration, I decided to let visitors to this website know that there are some weirdoes out there that do not respect other researchers.
 
Then, I ask why do these people use such language ?? we are all researching and debating historical truth.
 
And in response to ................... Webb and his denigration, what else could I do but to ' either' remove his link (on ironicon.com.au) or 'inform' my readers of his ill intent which was the trigger for me to respond. see http://www.ironicon.com.au/ironiconlinks.htm for Ned Kelly: Australian Ironoutlaw webpage.

Mr Webb now wants me to remove links to his webpage. It would be a pleasure to do so, but not before he removes his offending Soap Box refernces linking people to his penis puppetry.
Bill Denheld

PS, and also PaulOK (on his forum posting) is perpetuating ................... Webb's intimidation by referring to an un related incident involving an inebriated historian who prodded me for referring to him in a press article as the responsible historical consultant for the Glenrowan Siege site works stuff up -and true too.
Obviously PaulOK and B.Webb are disciples of the eminent historian.
 

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Fitzy
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Posted - 19/06/2009 :  12:21:33 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
G'day Alan, you old mule skinner, fancy finding you here! I'm not sure what's going on, but I see Bill has put a link where his post was deleted by the anministrator. You might like to have a squizz at it.

Fitzy.
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Sharon Hollingsworth
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Posted - 19/06/2009 :  06:55:01 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Just to clear something up, Captjack's remarks in support of Bill Denheld were not removed by the administrator. It seems that Paul jumped to the conclusion that Bill had removed his own post, but I knew better as I had already done a cut and paste of the post in question as I knew it would get removed before long and I wanted to keep a record of it. I compared the edit timestamp and it was the same when it was removed as when it was for an initial edit done (fixing/changing what I don't know). So that proved to me that Bill did not pull it. I guess others did not have that cut and paste to compare to (but I had sent it to a few interested parties after they wanted to know what they missed and pointed out the timestamp). However, as I said, the supportive remarks by Captjack were NOT removed by the administrator. At the time of all this brouhaha I was in my regular daily chat with Captain Jack and he was worried that his remarks answering a now defunct/blank post did not make sense to future readers. But he did not know how to edit a post so he gave me his password and asked me to do it for him. I inserted the words "Nevermind" and "Nevermind, again". Just wanted to set the record straight.

You know, things were going so well here at the forum that I instinctively knew something was going to happen to turn over the apple cart. It was too good to last!

I read over all the evidence, from the ironoutlaw bashing to Bill's retaliation in his ironicon links remarks about ironoutlaw.... to Brad's email to Bill, to Bill putting that on forum and then Brad's supporters/friends Paul O'Keefe and Alan Crichton weighing in with support of Brad of ironoutlaw....whew....I feel like I am back in junior high school! He said/she said! And not to count or discount everything that might have happened prior to all of this!

I do consider Bill to be a genuinely nice person and have never had a real problem with him at all and he has always been very kind to me and very supportive both of me personally and my writings. We are not in regular contact like some others down under, but I do like to think of him as a friend. Whether or not I believe in or support all his theories is beside the point.

I can say this to be fair, even though I never struck up a friendship with Brad Webb (or had a desire to), he has never been disrespectful or rude or mocking to me in any of my past dealings with him in private email or in response to any of my feedbacks to his site. I have not done any feedbacks nor had any dealings with him in the past several years, though, as I found other avenues to get my Kelly information out to the public. I know that the mileage of others has varied greatly, though! ;)

However, I feel that Brad was wrong to be so nasty towards Bill on his site (as I always say here, bash the ideas/theories you don't like but don't bash the person who presented them)...and maybe Bill should not have gotten down to the same level in public retaliation on his links page, but it is hard to rise above such abuse at times, believe me I know but we have to think of the face we present to the viewing public as it reflects back on the Kellys!...I think Bill should have initially put his post on his own site and not brought it here to the forum to draw possible disparaging comments and draw away from the discussion at hand, and, thus, lowering the tone of the forum and driving off those who have been drawn here by the high quality debates of late (something along same lines happened before at old forum.. seems to be a regular pattern!). My first words to someone last night after seeing what all had been added was "There goes the neighborhood!"

Maybe I have set myself up as a target, but at least I have a wall of water (a really big ocean) between me and them and they can never literally get their hands around my throat....unless they buy an expensive plane ticket and take a really long drive and can get past a couple of dogs! ;)

Hey, Dave, you better cancel the ticket you were going to send me! :)

Waffle over, now back to regularly scheduled programming...

Sharon








 
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Dave White
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Posted - 19/06/2009 :  09:48:23 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Dave White's Homepage  Reply with Quote
In order to save Bruce'e fine forum from destruction lets just keep moving along shall we? Almost everyone has had a shot at or wanted to argue/whak/strangle me over the years (and most have ended up good mates) but if we want to discuss/learn about this Kelly saga we just have to rise above and keep on keeping on. The politics in all this is so high that perhaps we should be running for government! Seriously, for the sake of the newer folk keen to learn about 'Ned' can we just stick to that and leave the fighting on the respective websites.
You do realise that the paddock where Ned fought Wright is still there, maybe it can be used again.:)
As for your ticket Sharon, I still have to win that jackpot but I do have body armour here at work so we can suit you up if you are worried. Dave.
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Posted - 19/06/2009 :  2:33:11 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Ah well I suppose it has come to this!!
Hello to all!
And thankyou to the ever helpful Sharon for the explanation re my posts! I am skilled at semaphore and morse but new technology makes me seem old sometimes.
I found myself talking about nothing after the post was removed, nor did I have the full story, so it was important to remove as it made absolutly no sense whatsoever! Normal for Jack really.
BUT! What I did write was the wisdom of Johnny cash " Sometimes when people hate you, that's a good thing" Which has always given me comfort as my scurvy crew always gag me and tie me to the mast and pour wax in their ears so not to hear me prattle on about Ned!
Good to see Al at the forum for some more colour and movement, and why would anyone want to throttle you Dave? Keep up the great work at your site too!
I am merrily unaligned and enjoy the work of both combatants!
But surely we should harness such unbridled passion for good instead of evil.
It would be a tragedy and a travesty if these 2 noted Kellyites were to stage a reenactment of a grudge match between Tex MacKenzie and Skull Murphy ( I am really showing my age - I remember Jack Little - whoa!) as Alex McDermott sticks it to the Kellys - who could point and say " See - that's what they were like"
There are bigger battles to be fought than amongst ourselves - the Right has been systematically trying to rewrite the story of Ned Kelly for over a decade and they have the clout and the newspaper space that we will never have.
And besides it is the 100th birthday of one of my favourite Australians tomorrow - Errol Flynn, sport! So let's channel the devil may care larrakin spirit of Errol, and celebrate our common interests andnot argue amongst ourselves over who has the biggest Ned!
 
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Posted - 19/06/2009 :  2:33:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All,

It's a pity that this forum has stooped to this level.

What's with all the attitude people.

Having witnessed Ian Jones interaction with Bill, it was not as described in this post. A heavy handed shove to the shoulder and a couple of expletives (non of which as suggested).

Anyways, I'm over all this 'my Ned Kelly's bigger than yours'

Marcus

 
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I would like to remind everybody of the simple rules of this forum I removed bills post because it broke the rules I will not allow hate mail on this site.

This is a free service and the rules WILL be obeyed, as all posts are expected to be read by children.

1. All posts will be moderated.

2. In this forum, Free speech means, At all times be civil, there will be no swearing, slander or offensive posts.

3. In the event of a user being a nuisance to other users they will be banned.

4. If a complaint is made about the content of a post , the post will be dealt with by being edited or deleted.

5.These rules will be modified from time to time as the need arises.

6. Remember people the eyes of the world are upon you, reputations and opinions of YOU will be won and lost with what you all write here.

7.If you have personal issues with other people DO NOT bring them here

8 IF you object to something that has been written, in the first instance email the author and request them to edit their post, if they will not, email me direct and i will moderate or delete their post

8.These rules are very simple, If you donít like them donít use the forum
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Posted - 19/06/2009 :  4:43:19 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Dave White's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It is probably worth remembering that this is after all a forum, find me a forum where people are not arguing and I will give you all the coins in my pocket. When you have so many strong personalities combined with the fact that one cannot fully gauge the tone of the writer it is easy for things to get out of hand. The big plus here is that at least we know who is posting and they are not hiding behind Ďfake namesí (no offence Capt Jack I do not refer to you) I mean when someone has a shot at me elsewhere I do not know who they really are and that annoys the hell out of me. So do not give up posting just because of this latest disagreement. (plus I need to catch Joe in the number of posts) The question Capt Jack should not be who would want to throttle me but rather who would not. (my wife says I deserve it anyway) Well that was my ten cents worth and I expect payment soon. Dave.
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Posted - 20/06/2009 :  4:50:50 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Dave,
It is good to see things have settled down some what...phew!!!

I must be mistaken but arn't you Capt Jack too?...lol :)

Paul






 
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This is weird! Looking back at my post above it seems that a certain name has been edited out..but not by me....just to set the record straight! :)

Oh, yeah, and to set yet another record straight, where Paul says this:

cut and paste

Dave,
It is good to see things have settled down some what...phew!!!

I must be mistaken but arn't you Capt Jack too?...lol :)

Paul

end of cut and paste

I say this....

Dave White is most certainly NOT captjack!!! Look at the writing style, the sophisticated wit and the varied life experience of captjack that he relates here. It does not match Dave's life and style that we all have been familiar with all these years. And Dave has never been to the UK that I know of. Our Jack has been more than once! I am so jealous that he experienced Swinging London in the 60s!

Trust me, I know both of these men and they are two different people from two different worlds. Seems that in the past Bill was thinking the same as you, Paul, and he had to be told he was mistaken, too. :)

Sharon


edited to fix a word.

 

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Hi Sharon,
When i made the comment

Dave,
It is good to see things have settled down some what...phew!!!

I must be mistaken but arn't you Capt Jack too?...lol :)


Sorry Sharon but my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek when i made the posting!
Maybe the translation got lost going across the Pacific!!

Paul
P.S this thread is like playing join the......... dots...........in parts





 
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Posted - 21/06/2009 :  10:22:41 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Oh, ok...sorry about the confusion! is one of the hazards of posting on forums, we cannot see facial expressions or get tone of voice. :)

As I said, one time Bill did say that Dave White was Capt Jack and I had to let him know that the two were not the same.

I recall the one time at old forum when I was "Sharon in the USA" and someone gave me a mortal fit over me using a pseudonym! DUH!!!! Everyone knew who I was! But seems not all know who Jack is, but some do! ;)

Sharon


 
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Posted - 21/06/2009 :  1:29:15 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Dave White's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Why do people think I am Captain Jack? I was Army he was Navy.
He is smart I am................well you get the point:) Actually I wish he was me as he is very funny and articulate indeed.
What did I say about how one can be confused due to the 'tone' of the text or lack of it. Regardless I think you know what I mean. Dave
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Hi Jox and all,
First of all, sorry Jox that your first posting turned to debacle. I feel that my posting was the cause of the unfortunate out come, and feel oblige to explain.

There was some good advise but I was saddened by Ellen Hollow, it was good of her to answer so promptly, but not a word of encouragement for you to continue to go on., that is the reason I put you on to Gary Dean. He is also an authority on the Kelly gang descendants because he gets to speak to many of them.
I personally enjoy looking at family trees, especially on early monarchy. I have never put one together but it seems very worthwhile to do so and who knows I may give it a try one day. So don't give up it does not matter if you are related or not and who knows what you might find, as an example forum member Peter McGarrigle found out not that long ago that he is a descendant and a distant cousin to PaulOK.

And this now brings me back to the problem of my posting and then Paul's after that, he pointed out he had spoken to B.Webb, and I know both of them don't like my husband Bill, and that prompted B.Webb to send Bill that terrible threatening email. I can tell you I was shocked and advised Bill to post it on the forum to let every one know what he had sent and also as proof if any thing did ever happen. The forum posting was partly censored by the forum text screening of the offending words .

Some said Bill should have put it on his own web site, and that may be so, we have never used offensive language or been aggressive on the forum or any were else. The forum has his rules and I agree with them , but what is the difference of putting it on the forum or putting a link on the forum to a web page for young people to click on as well, and while I am at it, the offensive language Paul used and he being a Kelly educator to children ! plus tells lies that Marcus caught him out on, and like Marcus said we where standing and talking on the landing when Mr Ian Jones came through the doorway and gave Bill a shove to the shoulder and said ' stay out of my way', he must of had a glass to many and under other circumstances he may have been more cordial.

The unfortunate incident of Mr Jones shoving Bill seems to have triggered an anti Bill campaign by a few members of the Kelly community intent on demeaning him.

Carla
 
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PaulOK
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Posted - 21/06/2009 :  6:42:27 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I thought this thread was over?
OMG, obviously not.
Don't think my wife is interested in posting at this stage..will have to ask her.
Anyway,

Bill should of kept this altercation between both of them on each others sites....and that was my point!

And to clarify I don't dislike your husband AT ALL. I have spoken/emailed/met him many times, and met yourself on many occasions.

I dont think i have been rude or mean to him in any regard at any of those occasions. (the only mean thing was i razzed him about not drinking beer) I have also defended Bill in a few instances over the years ( SBC shootout for one, which i like)

I don't know how Bill thinks I am some devout desciple of Ian's?
anyone who know me, knows I don't agree with some of Ian's work on a few subjects and have told him so to his face. (we can agree to disagree) I have even questioned the authenticity of Ian's Joe Byrne photo's on Ironoutlaw so is this devotions?? I don't think so. I have the upmost respect for Ian, who has helped elevate one way or another Ned and the Boys that no one else has right, wrong or indifferent and i dare say some forumites would not be on here if it wasn't for Mr Jones and his books/series and doco's.

Bill goes off half cocked. eg Ian Jones- Glenrowan Beutifications. Dave White- Stringbark Creek, being Capt Jack. Edna- etc etc.

When he posted private email correspondence using the word starting the letter after B and before D to address a personal issue between two grown blokes on the forum.

The only time i contacted Brad Webb was AFTER Bill posting on the forum, not before, which was also after i had posted my reply.

Yes i defended Brad as i call him a mate (mates do that) It's an Australian thing

I am sorry to use the word "Balls", I hope i didn't offend anyone especially kids and hope tis is not a blackmark against me as a Kelly Educator to children (better stay away from the Jerilderie Letter- shall I?)

And me being a liar!!!...please ok by the throat/shove whatever...I know what i saw. He wanted to punch the bejeezus (is this a swear word?)out of Bill and it was ugly and spoilt the night but i will swear on a stack of bibles he wasn't DRUNK!!! ( oh..i might be lying)

And you last point this incident happened 3 years ago this August, and now all of a sudden there's an anti Bill campaign....huh???


Carla, tell him he's been a naughty boy, and to go to his room and don't do it again!

Paul
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Edited by - PaulOK on 21/06/2009 7:00:58 PM

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carla
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Posted - 21/06/2009 :  8:39:21 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit carla's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  Delete Reply
Paul,

Your third line, " I don't think my wife is interested in posting at this stage......will have to ask her "
Paul you are a piece of work, again shows your denigration of your wife and me.

Again you have shot yourself in the foot. You are supposed to be a child educator and you cannot make an educated response.

No Paul, Brad Webb emailed Bill just recently. You bring up an incident that had nothing to do with this thread i.e., Mr Ian Jones making a fool of himself shoving Bill while we were all having a good time. And after this event you turned it on us which shows your insincerity. This shows your bigoted manner. This anti Bill campaign has been on going since your last entry onto a KC2000 forum which caused it to collapse.

You should behave like a real educator.
Carla