Ned Kelly - from
Iron-outlaw to Iron-icon
and Two Huts stories
Stringybark Creek News-updates, After four years,13th May 2008, Jeremy Smith of Heritage Victoria gives the go ahead to list the Kelly sites at Stringy bark Ck, Kellys Ck, on the Victorian Heritage register. Since that time nothing has been done to undertake any proper archaeological work to verify the sites. In March 2014, Bill and Leo Kennedy identify a most likely spot where his G Grandfather Sergeant Kennedy was murdered .
Kelly: Villain or Victim? Steve Hodder
It will be 139 years this year since notorious bushranger Ned Kelly was hanged in a Victorian prison for the murder of police constable Thomas Lonigan.
At recent police remembrance services, Kelly has again been branded a psychopath but who, asks STEVE HODDER, were the real villains in the tale of Australian history’s most famous outlaw? Note; thumbnail left shows Dan Kelly's helmet !
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Kelly: Death of the Legend
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Link to 'Bill is Right about Stringybark Creek'
week Mrs Kelly, mother of Ned Kelly, died in Victoria.
Shortly before her death she was interviewed by a representative of ‘Smith’s Weekly’. Throughout a long life her actions and views were governed by an hereditary bias of revolt due to her birth. In the course of the interview she unconsciously showed that this influence subsisted to the last.
Eleven Mile Creek is where the Kelly homestead stood near Greta West.
Sharon Hollingsworth and Brian Stevenson present news, views, nuggets and musings, some serious, some lighthearted but all to do with all things associated with Ned Kelly and the gang.
Background images are of 1/3rd scale model replicas of Kelly Gang iron helmets for sale direct from the maker. An authentic piece of Australiana that makes a great gift for any history student.
|Over a period of 12 months a team of five have studied the sites, pondered over and over the evidence only to disagree. The majority of team members favored the area near the Kelly tree to which Bill could not agree. Bill was advised if he could not agree with the team's selection and paper CSI@SBC, then he should write his own. Despite Bill's endeavor to have the team see their error, Bill however, could not put his name to their document that failed on many fundamental points, one being the slope in the Burman photo. This is Bill's paper that leads you through the only site to pass the photo test. * Click here for link to main doc||
gang helmet armour, 1/3rd scale replica is of Ned's helmet.
Each of the Kelly gang's helmets have been replicated and are
available as a collectable set.
These models are very close to the originals in
detail and each
exhibit all the nuances of blacksmiths
work. They are
authentic in every detail and may never again be
reproduced in sets of four. In this page we also analyze '
who may have made the
amours' simply by the study of design features and plenty of conjecture.
|A recent photo reported to be the members of the 'Kelly gang' was put up for auction. It sold for $16k. My first reaction to the photos authenticity with faces so poorly detailed they could be almost any group of young men of the time? But added the fact the names penned in at the bottom overlapped the mismatched oval picture mount, proves this was a copy of a copy. I gave the photo thumbs down for auction but think fellow researcher Capt Jack Hoyle has identified these characters each with a pipe in their mouths as a huge joke, you be the judge.||
|Is this Ned ? Direct descendant of Ellen Kelly King, - Elsie Pettifer thought this photo was of her father Walter Knight, but this throws doubts for it to be Ned? The photo of railway sleeper cutters is being promoted by Kelly family members as Ned Kelly just after he came out of gaol in 1874. If it is Ned it could be worth millions, so a lot is riding on proper verifications. Unfortunately the photo is a copy of an original that has been lost. See a picture of Walter Knight for comparison.|
|Ned Kelly Centre 2003. The Penleigh Boyd and Bill Denheld Ned Kelly Centre proposal of 2003. Our aim was to produce a bold, gimmick free, truly Australian building. It should be modern, minimal, timeless in style and straightforward. It should not be distracting, stylized or a pastiche of the 1880's.||
|Ned Kelly Centre 2015. This Facebook page is headed by Joanne Griffiths- whose vision for a Ned Kelly Centre is in the planning as a place for an unbiased tribute to a family and the community of the North East of Victoria, and its remarkable place in Australian history. It does not matter what you believe of Ned Kelly, he himself said: "Let the hand of the law strike me down it if it will, but I ask that my story be heard and considered".|
|Update 14 Dec 2012. The latest research where Sergeant Kennedy died. Germans or Stringybark Ck ? Sergeant Kennedy was the officer in charge of the Mansfield police party to hunt for the Kelly brothers. Following the fatal shootout with the Kelly gang at StringyBark Ck ( SBC) where two police were killed, the Sergeants body was not found till five days later some 800 meters away from the police camp. We have to decide which side of the creek ?This research reports on the quest to find the area using all recorded information. *||
the History Teachers Association of Victoria,
Journal 'Agora magazine, has published - The Politics of Ned by Bill Denheld
Title 'What links did Ned Kelly and his associates have with the republican and Federation movements in nineteenth-century Victoria'?
|Stuart Dawson asks the question, It has long been widely, even admiringly, held that Ned Kelly’s last words before execution were ‘Such is life’. This is a key part of a prevalent Kelly mythology that has been subject to little serious critique. Yet the attribution of the phrase ‘Such is life’ to Kelly is pure fiction. Analysis of the reportage of the day recovers Kelly’s actual last words, and explains how they were transmuted by one journalist into the catchy expression quoted as fact by many historians.|| Stuart
|The outlaws of the Wombat Ranges published by G Wilson Hall is a massively important historical document in its claim to give an impartial account of the Kelly outbreak up to the time of writing. The account was published only four months after the Stringy Bark Creek police shootings and only two weeks after the the Jerilderie bank robbery by the Kelly gang. Its a free download as Stuart Dawson believes all such documents should be. Well done Stuart.|
Since the Glenrowan siege the police have almost universally been
blamed for the subsequent death of labourer
George Metcalf, who
claimed he was struck by a police bullet during the siege and had
medical costs paid by the police.
However, witness statements of the time show that
Metcalf was accidentally
shot in the face by Ned Kelly before the siege began.
Constable Fitzpatrick is the man most often blamed for triggering the Kelly outbreak. Ever since the event Fitzpatrick has been widely labeled a drunkard, liar and perjurer. Yet this is not correct. This article by Stuart Dawson reconstructs, corroborates, and vindicates Fitzpatrick's courtroom testimony, and shows - without trying to make him into a saint - that almost everything written about his role in the Kelly outbreak by numerous "historical experts" for the last 140 years is wrong. The real story is put forward here.
|The case for James Whitty. In this interesting thesis by author unknown, questions the vilification of James Whitty who in contemporary Kelly history books is seen as Ned Kelly's arch enemy because through one incident Kelly gained a bad reputation and become known as a horse and cattle thief. If the truth be known, the author provides insight into the Whitty / Kelly affair. Later, Kellys self professed thievery could be seen as a prank following 'blame it on the Kellys'||The hut behind the school. When the Kelly Gang were on the run during 1879-80 they were protected by many sympathisers and local farmers in N. East Victoria. This is another HUT discovery story still evolving. ' The hut behind the school ' was known by locals long ago, but where it stood has only now been discovered by a group of researchers led by Alan Gibb, Arthur Hall and Marcus Swinburne. Each are descendant of land owners who were there at the time..|
|Ned Kelly Seminar Papers, - In 2002, Kelly researcher Marian Matta informed me she had transcribed the ‘Ned Kelly Seminar Papers 1993’ from audio tape Compact Cassettes onto her computer, I later transferred them to PDF for this free download. Talks by eminent historians include Keith McMenomy, Ian Jones, John H Philips, Dr John McQuilton and Jan Clark, they discuss the Kelly saga 25 years after the first symposium in 1968, Ned Kelly- Man and Myth.|
fossicker unlocks Kelly armour mystery?
SM Herald 30 Sept 2006
An army of historians and folklore aficionados have been unable to establish in the 131 years since the armour made its mark on Australian judicial legend, where was it made? Beechworth local Darren Sutton believes he has found the forge where Byrne's armour suit was created. Darren found a piece of iron off cut that he claims matches part of Joe Byrnes armour. - reports Age writer- Steve Waldon . Unfortunately however, scientific analysis of the Darren's iron piece has proven a metallurgical negative match to the real Joe Byrne armour which leaves Darren with a tricky problem to overcome. See Darren's iron piece match Byrne armour in Benalla.
Watch Darren'Suttons find on YouTube video here-
In trying to help resolve Darrens delema with ANSTO , during 2006 I contacted and visited Darren with a scientist willing to offer for free an independent sampling of his piece using 'Varian Techtron 'Atomic Absorption Spectrometer ' Details of the procedure were put in place so no false outcomes would be argued about, but Darren did not want to prceed.
Now also see Dee's Blog which exposes Darren's tricky problem with the help of some real pictures.
|Kelly Armour, this provocative You Tube video shows how difficult it would be to make full size Kelly armour. The voice is that of Ned Kelly telling us his predicament, while two blacksmiths try hard to make a breast plate similar. The background image on this webpage are 1/3rd scale model replicas of Kelly' gang iron helmets for sale direct from maker.||
|Song writer Jack D Melbourne says- “When I was writing tunes for the Kelly Gang lyrics, it was very difficult not to give it an early Australian colonial or Irish feel” This recording has involved some of the greats of the Australian music industry vocalists and musicians and have been guided by Parris Macleod. First produced in 2008, on a Special Limited Edition CD, it springs to life with this visual video treat. Play it loud and well done everyone, look forward to part 2.|
Kelly hut on Bullock Creek may not have been the only hut.
UPDATE, This looks at the possibility there were two huts occupied by the Kelly's at Bullock Ck. One was described by Constable James who found the Kelly camp one month after the killings at Stringybark Ck, the other is a photo of a hut, but the description doesn't match the photo? Here is a possible answer to the vexing question, were there TWO huts at Bullock Ck ? Another recent discovered is a 1930's photo of the Kelly Ck sawmill that was built directly over one of the Kelly camp hut sites. The picture shows a tree that could be one of the Kelly target trees.*
|Related site||The Bullets of Kellys Creek During 1985 Bill Denheld is metal detecting at Kelly's Ck, where the Kellys lived for up to six months leading up to the shoot out with the police at Stringybark Ck. It stood to reason that some bullets fired by the Kelly's at target trees had missed the target. Included are the only known photos of the actual trees fired at by the Kellys' during their target practice at Bullock Creek 1878 ( later renamed Kelly's Ck, The photos of target trees were discovered during Aug 2003 some 125 years later. The target trees date from well before the shootings at Stringybark Ck. *|
Main story - The Stringybark Creek shootings -
|Two Huts at Stringybark Creek. The only 'on the ground' research website into the haunts of the Kelly Gang. Two bush hut fireplaces found at Stringybark Ck by Kelly researcher Bill Denheld, re-establishes the exact location where two police troopers were killed by the Kelly gang in Oct 1878. This site is on the west bank and contrary to the east bank site to where tourists are being led by miss informed authorities *||Related site||
Kelly find leaves theory of shootings up the creek
Melbourne newspaper ' The Age' on 10 Feb 2003 by Geoff Strong.
A gunpowder flask recovered from the ' Shingle' hut site (dating from the time of the Kellys) proves where the Kelly gang shootout occurred. The Age article headline, true to its word was not appreciated by eminent Kelly historian Mr. Ian Jones, who had declaring the huts finding as 'codswollup' on Melbourne ABC morning radio 774 AM. Mr.Jones's denigrating remark was unfortunate, since the huts finding proves the location of the shootout . Picture SANDY SCHELTEMA
Professor Tim Flannery and social historian John Doyle see the magic of the Viewer Scope to match the real site of the Kelly Gang verses Police shoot out site.
This is the place without any doubt -
The subject of the Stringy Bark Creek police camp, the shooting dead of the three Police by the Kelly Gang, the exact spot is no longer a mystery.
With logic and on ground 'primary source evidence' for all to see, three other contended sites have been proven negative. But the proponents of those sites don't seem able to accept historical truth when presented to them. Please continue to read their opposing documents, then also see their web-forum debates and their ill conceived arguments. People I have shown this site to, like Prof. Tim Flannery, global warming activist, John Doyle, award winning writer, radio presenter and comedian, author Ian MacFarlane, of important recently published book 'Ned Kelly Unmasked', author Peter Fitzsimons his latest book 'Ned Kelly', all these people and dozens more highly professional observers all agree with my evidence presented, that the site of two huts fireplaces at SBC being the true correct site. All I ask is for my opponents to present a compelling case to the contrary! Forget all the hoopla, maybe etc, etc prove your case for another site. Bill
|The Police Camp Site; There has been an exhaustive investigation to identify the site. The investigation team was led by Bill Denheld and Linton Briggs and at the offset, any outcome was to be agreed to by all before publishing. There is a strong background slope in the old 1878 photo of where trooper Lonigan was shot,- Identify that slope on the ground and we can identify the proper site. But what do you have to do to convince each member to see. Join us to decipher and separate the bull from the dust. You be the judge ? *||
Scene Investigation at Stringy Bark Creek,
Initial team member, Bill Denheld
received his digital draft copy of the team's document only to find his
compelling Two Huts research
totally ignored. Seeing their many glaring mistakes. I returned
my digital copy with comments in blue text. I could hardly believe
these fellow researchers
could be so blinkered. Gosh I thought, if history can be construed like
this 'and in print' we certainly have to question accepted written
history. For the sake of historical truth, lets hope future students
will see through this travesty.
If this was not bad enough check out their
July 2017 UPDATE
Its truly mind boggling.
|The above visor slots are of Joe Byrne's helmet||
last words not 'such is life'
LEADING Queensland psychiatrist, Dr Scott has diagnosed legendary
bushranger Ned Kelly as a violent and vindictive psychopath — and
dismissed his famous last words ‘such is life’ as a myth.
Dr Scott joined with Melbourne historian and author of ‘The Kelly Gang Unmasked’, Ian MacFarlane, to reach remarkable conclusions about the bushranger for an article in the journal Psychiatry, Psychology and Law. Read book Abstract
Geographic article does not put Ned's DNA to rest ?
Glenrowan-based historian Gary Dean, who has been researching the Kelly history for more than 40 years, says while there's a strong possibility the remains belong to Kelly, he's not convinced the connection has been conclusively proven. DNA passed along the male line is needed in addition to mitochondrial DNA that was passed down from Kelly's sister, he says -
links with the Past”
Kelly Sites Toombullup beginning 1885...
Historians, Sheila Hutchinson and Fay Johnson bring you back to where the Kelly occupation had left its mark. Using their fascinating research, the exact location of the Kelly target tree and the Kelly hut site can be plotted on the ground. As expected the Kelly related sites were marked on the earliest maps of the district. They advance material to suggest the shoot out site was north of the picnic ground at SBC.
Gary Dean's website is one of the original sites. Much of his
research has a basis upon generations of intimate and local knowledge
concerning the real story. This site is a key stone site to
the whole Kelly story. A passionate researcher of Kelly, Gary is the
guru, and is distantly related to the Kelly clan as well as to the
very lady who sewed up the Eureka flag Anastasia Withers.
The Royal Commission into the Kelly outbreak ~
12 Mb all 721 pages in 'html' format suitable for search by 'names' and is hosted at ironicon.com.au from Gary Dean's files.
of the Glenrowan Inn
Anne Jones's hotel.
The siege site of The Glenrowan Inn as photographed the morning of 28
Today the hotel site plays a very important historical roll in the
retelling of the siege at Glenrowan. Luckily, the land where the hotel
once stood has not been redeveloped largely due to the conservator
owners the Briggs family of Glenrowan. *
Outlaw Webmaster Brad Webb has created
what is the most impressive directory of all things Kelly. Amongst
his regular writers Alan Crichton
'Keep Ya Powder Dry'
reports on Kelly events and are a laugh and a half . Also
check out Readers Feedback which spans from 1999.
Seems more happens on IO Facebook than this big website!
|Bailup Ned Kelly Bushranger ITS BACK, This site is a serious look at the whole Kelly story and reports on mistruths that always seems to be published. 'Let the truth be known' and Justice to the story. www.bailup.com is a great resource to any Kelly student. The site is the work of Nicky Cowie who has created an institution. The above links to 'facts at a glance' and is a good starting point.|
Here are two other members only forums- KC2000 For-um and Stringybark Creek For-um"
|FORUMS||Ned Kelly Truth Forum was started by history enthusiast anonymous DEE who wanted to debate an alternative view of the Kelly story. Almost overnight she attracted large reader participation, but her interesting forum was deleted after complaints to her forum host by the Pro Kelly group who it seems cannot accommodate healthy debate pro or con.. All that remains of Dee's truth forum are these copy pages of about the Stringy-Bark Ck debate saved by Bill. Page 22 of 25|
Where was Ned Kelly born? Dctr Maikel Annalee narrows it down to Wallan East some 3 Km North East of Beveridge town, (the previously accepted area). Like an archeological dig, we find new information that follows a thread connecting Ned to the Federation of Australia.
A recent Herald Sun article by journalist Mike Edmonds follows the thread.
|The death mask and faces of Ned Kelly. The original death mask was part of a special display at Maxmillion Kreitmeyer's Waxworks in Bourke Street Melbourne 1880 the morning after Ned's execution. Kreitmeyer was reputed to have made the first impression from Ned's face, however, new information suggests the death mask may have been made by an accompanying Sydney Waxworks owner Desiderio Cristofani working with Maxmillion Kreitmeyer. *|
rumoured as the hideout of the Kellys' leading up to the police murders
at Stringy Bark Creek only weeks later has been identified by
Stephen Handbury 27 July 2014. This
cave was first reported to the police as a likely place where the Kellys'
may be hiding, and most likely the first day excursion led by Sergeant
Kennedy and Const Scanlan to find it.
But this may not have been the only cave being looked for- See Feedback opposite
|Background images of 1/3rd scale model replica of Kelly gang iron helmets. Write a short essay why you are a Kelly sympathizer and submit here to admin for consideration to publication and receive a courtesy 20% discount on any one of the four Kelly Gang helmets. This page supports a fair go denied to Ned and also Julian Assange locked up in a UK gaol. Lets get Assange home ASAP.|
|There is interest in the Police journey to Stringybark Ck Oct 1878 - did the police party get lost? McIntyre's evidence suggests the police party of four entered Stringybark from South to North. Ned Kelly's evidence, he saw police horse tracks way to the East of Stringybark Ck which he attributed to a second South bound police party. Some readers have asked me to provide info on the Route the police party took to their camp site. Please click on these image links. http://www.ironicon.com.au/images/sbc-view-to-mansfield.jpg http://www.ironicon.com.au/images/sbc-view-green-blazed-tree-line.jpg||
Deposition papers of Thomas McIntyre.
He was the
sole survivor of the shootout with the Kelly gang at Stringybark Ck. On
the margin of his court papers for the prosecution of Ned Kelly, someone
has drawn a little hut. We like to believe this hut drawing represents
the Shingle hut near where the police had camped.
Sharon Hollingsworth brings to light who may have drawn this hut doodle.
No text or images from these story pages may be reproduced without written permission from copyright holder and author W Denheld. *
suggestions for other web links are always welcome.
Links to other Kelly related sites
Glenrowan Gazette ~ The Kelly trail ~ The Ned Kelly Touring Route ~ Glenrowan1880 ~ Kelly Gang Educational Services ~ Burnt to a Cinder was I ~ Ned Kelly- Australian Bushranger ~ Ned Kelly Bushranger ~ Ned Online ~ The Jerilderie letter at 'Treasures of the State Library of Victoria' ~ Music sites ~ Australian history ~ Forums